[nachob]

I hope they don't discontinue it I'll be shopping both! If the m2 is heavy, idrive, no temp gauge, active sound, soft EDC only suspension then I'll want the 235 for less money. No point in throwing money at the m2 unless they really address core performance traits like weight, firmness, rawness etc.

[MikeT]

I'm essentially repeating myself here, but there's really no possibility of the M235i (or its near equivalent) being discontinued when the M2 arrives. Think about it.... a 228i at $33K and an M2 at ~$50K with nothing in between?? That would make no sense at all, from a marketing standpoint.

With that said, I could see them 'demoting' the car to '235i'/'235is' status (along with a small price cut), and then offering an optional M package for $3K or something.

[3.0L]

Originally Posted by USPSALIMITED

An N car then? We should call it that & get badges made up.

If BMW continues to insist on M badges, they should perhaps redesign the badge. It could simply read:

M
Performance

[Macphisto]

Originally Posted by 235newbie

I think they should expand the line to compete with the Audi S models.

Release a M335i/M435i etc.

230i
M240i
M2

330i
M340i
M3

430i
M440i
M4

[ska///235i]

Originally Posted by mybostonjack

M340
M440

Oh wait thats right

They might discont.. The M235i when the 230 and 240 comes out

[3.0L]

Or how about this:


MJunior

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by Meeni

Nop, 52k, Cayman S starts at 64k.

But it's 275hp

M2 should have around 100hp more for basically same price

[USPSALIMITED]

Originally Posted by 3.0L

Or how about this:


MJunior

I like it!

[CONTROL ONE]

Originally Posted by 235newbie

I think they should expand the line to compete with the Audi S models.

Release a M335i/M435i etc.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Just like how you can get an A5, an A5 S-Line, an S5 and an RS5. Oh, not to mention the A5 Sportback.

[rickinaz]

Originally Posted by 235newbie

I think they should expand the line to compete with the Audi S models.

Release a M335i/M435i etc.

There already is an M435i:

M Sport + MPPK + M Sport brakes + MPE + DHP = M435i

These are all factory options. It will come equipped this way and depicted on the window sticker (albeit without the M badge).

[Seagull]

Originally Posted by rickinaz

There already is an M435i:

M Sport + MPPK + M Sport brakes + MPE + DHP = M435i

These are all factory options. It will come equipped this way and depicted on the window sticker (albeit without the M badge).

Totally agree with you. Besides, when the M3/4 was being hyped and released, there were slide packages indicating M Performance lines and the actual M Car lines. But that said, it doesn't mean they might drop or discontinue Mxyz cars for a particular line as the market might not require it. On the other hand, I think BMW has a clearly defined "line" or concept in mind when the produce an Mxyz vs an M car vs a "normal" car.

[Meeni]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

But it's 275hp

M2 should have around 100hp more for basically same price

I got myself confused. The base Cayman gets a similar 060 time than the M235i (weight matters), but you are right, the M2 will push more horses and hopefully shed some of the fat out. Thanks for helping me reconsider.

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by Meeni

I got myself confused. The base Cayman gets a similar 060 time than the M235i (weight matters), but you are right, the M2 will push more horses and hopefully shed some of the fat out. Thanks for helping me reconsider.

Ya well cayman is 2900 lbs.... i guess it's lighter cause your wallet has now much less money

But yes if the M2 is 3300lbs with 375hp would be appealing against a cayman s 325hp 2900...

given that the M2 would probably start at 52-54 and the cayman at 64 so you are saving around 10K

[mmmmm235i]

I have thought about this and it seems weird if they keep the M in front of the 235i after the M2 comes out. It would be confusing especially when they will both be n55 powered (?). I think they will still offer an M235 version, but there will be a base 235 available without the power kit, brakes, and a few other goodies standard on the M235.

[3.0L]

Originally Posted by mmmmm235i

I have thought about this and it seems weird if they keep the M in front of the 235i after the M2 comes out. It would be confusing especially when they will both be n55 powered (?). I think they will still offer an M235 version, but there will be a base 235 available without the power kit, brakes, and a few other goodies standard on the M235.

Considering all of this M controversy, I'm approaching the conclusion that only the folks who drive the M-Whatever cars will appreciate any of the M gizmos. Pay more, get more. No matter how you try to slice it, the middle of the road M235i is still a very good car. I just wish folks would finally realize its place. It's not a 235i and it's not an M2. Or an M3. Please just recognize the new slot in the line up. What's so difficult to understand about that?

[mmmmm235i]

Originally Posted by 3.0L

Considering all of this M controversy, I'm approaching the conclusion that only the folks who drive the M-Whatever cars will appreciate any of the M gizmos. Pay more, get more. No matter how you try to slice it, the middle of the road M235i is still a very good car. I just wish folks would finally realize its place. It's not a 235i and it's not an M2. Or an M3. Please just recognize the new slot in the line up. What's so difficult to understand about that?

I actually agree with you and Iam one of those who doesn't mind the name at all. I think it would be cool though if the m performance models were released before the full M at which point they begin to offer a 235 base with the usual a la carte options. They will probably keep it but I love how rare this car seems to be and changing back the name would only help.

[Delnari]

Originally Posted by ska///235i

I dont think so...the M2 should be at least $5000 more than the m235i so there's the gap

More like $10K...

[Delnari]

As it has been said many times, the M235i should have been named differently for the get go. BMW broke away from the standard naming of series name and adding it as a package item. In their defense, they knew the car was going to something special in the line-up and really didn't want to call it a 235i or 235is. Putting the "M" in front helped marketing and got more people to look at the new car. Since BMW had no intention of creating two versions, M235i and 235i it was better sell this way.

My thought, is look for the "M" to disappear in front of the 235i come 2017 model and instead be offered with the more traditional "M Package" as an extra. They really need to create separation from the upcoming M2 and having two cars carrying "M" in the name would be just wrong. Hope they don't do the same thing with the upcoming X2 and call it an MX2, wait doesn't Mazda own that name??

[Researcher]

Fascinating that no one gets the company's new business model.

M cars are now intended to be rather limited high-cost models.
Prices will skyrocket even higher as the need to compete with
the average, yes average, new 500 plus HP sports car.

Mxxx cars is the ongoing model to compete with the likes of Audi S.
The initial test was a success and we will soon see other models
follow.

330i
M340i
M3

People are just reluctant to accept this change. It seems that in the
BMW community it is sacrilegious to touch anything with an M. And
that everyone that owns an M feels offended by those that don't but
still wear an M. Well it's time to change; BMW can sell more cars
compete more effectively with this new business model.

[mjposner]

Nachob, you will be disapointed.

If the m2 is heavy: It will weigh within 50 pounds of the M235i

idrive, Will include, 98% of buyers want this is a 55K car (wil include nav as well. M4 starts with this setup)

no temp gauge, Same gauge pod as M235i, so unlikely an analog gauge, but perhaps a digital option (we know its available due to hidden menu)

active sound, obviously, M4 has this

soft EDC only suspension Not likely as M235i has adaptive suspension, will carry over with likely tweaks, and perhaps will start in sport mode as default.

The jump from 135i - 1M was greater more due to what 135i was missing. Jumpt to M2 is less imho because of what M235i has. Given a likely 6-8k price increase I suspect the following:

Will include LSD
Quad M Performance Exhaust
Tweaked engine management/beefier intercooler so mid to high 300s on Torque and HP (at least 50 more)
19 inch wheels
Special colors
tweaked suspension for sharper handling

Michael

[horsepower_and_hounds]

The M2 will prolly come in about 10k higher base. Before I bought the 235 I did the following numbers for my spec'd car and others and looked at my budget and needs.

M235 built with my options 50k
435 built exactly like my M235 58k
M3 "sedan" i wanted a coupe 62k base before any options
M4 64k base before any options

So with 10k down, my 128 traded in and 1.44% i have a $475 payment and as close to a "M" car I will ever have.....or need. Boom.......

[Racer20]

Originally Posted by nachob

I hope they don't discontinue it I'll be shopping both! If the m2 is heavy, idrive, no temp gauge, active sound, soft EDC only suspension then I'll want the 235 for less money. No point in throwing money at the m2 unless they really address core performance traits like weight, firmness, rawness etc.

Look at BMW's line up. It will have iDrive and active sound just like every other BMW. It will be +/-100lbs in weight to a loaded M235i, just like every other M car. It will have a semi-accurate temp gauge just like every other M Car. It will have the M EDC system, which is better than the non-M system and is not "soft". It will be the lightest, firmest, rawest M Car but it will still be a modern, comfortable refined coupe with all the tech toys. BMW's product strategy should be obvious enough to know this by now.