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      02-22-2014, 02:54 PM   #67
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I believe AC Is a requirement for VLN racing etc too isn't it now?
Correct.
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      02-22-2014, 03:28 PM   #68
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I've never seen a racing car with a torque converted tiptronic....a bit of a fail. should have a sequential or dual clutch gearbox.....
LOL.

I see all these cars with double clutch auto, tow hooks and decals that never see a racetrack. I prefer manual but race car means car for racing and this car qualifies.
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      02-22-2014, 03:32 PM   #69
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I was thinking the same thing
In regard to the transmission ,technology has changed a lot in the past 50 years of automated transmissions. From all that I have heard this ZF 8 speed transmission is very effective and shifts quickly and precisely. From what I have read in order to keep costs down BMW decided to go with this transmission over a manual because going with a manual would have required an entire different computer and programing to be developed. With the ZF they only required some minor programing tweaks. The reality is we will see more and more automated transmissions and manufactures are doing more and more to make them better than a manual in terms of performance. The new C7 Z06 automatic is supposed to be quicker at shifting than the amazing Porsche PDK and supposed to be more drivable than DCT transmissions in normal conditions. Formula One, the pinnacle of racing dumped manual transmissions many years ago because they are simply not as fast and tunable as a computer. Thanks for reading my rant
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Nice find! You can see him using the paddle shifter!

Nice Easter Egg! Stealth fighter flying by!
General shape suggests it's a b-2 stealth bomber... Or less likely an x-47b stealth drone
B2 for sure.
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      02-22-2014, 04:37 PM   #71
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DCT is much heavier, and more expensive to maintain.

Besides, the ZF 8-speed is really good. When Chris Harris drove the M135i BMW with the ZF 8-speed, he thought he was actually driving with a DCT equipped car.
That's how fast/smooth it shifts.
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      02-22-2014, 06:13 PM   #72
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DCT is much heavier, and more expensive to maintain.

Besides, the ZF 8-speed is really good. When Chris Harris drove the M135i BMW with the ZF 8-speed, he thought he was actually driving with a DCT equipped car.
That's how fast/smooth it shifts.
From what I've seen, Getrag's 7DCT transmission is actually ~20lbs lighter than ZF's 8HP automatic.
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I've never seen a racing car with a torque converted tiptronic....a bit of a fail. should have a sequential or dual clutch gearbox.....
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This is a joke, not a racing car. It has a series engine and an automatic gearbox. It can work in american amateur racing, but not in the serious European championships. It's just marketing.
Sound pretty much like a Porsche 911 then.
It comes only with a PDK also ;-)
It's a much more proper series sports car than the bimmer!
Dude, did you really compared a 911 to a 2 series?
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Well, at least we know it's got a real racing diff. Listen to that thing whine.
Love that shit
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      02-23-2014, 12:34 AM   #76
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What was that whine?
Easy. That was the sound of people bitching about the automatic transmission and other stock parts.
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Can you hear those downshift sounds in the first video at 1:05 and up ? They sound really cool and I like them, but I am afraid it's just the sound of rapidly downshifting 1 gear at a time...this car does not downshift multiple gears at a time...it's a bit lame and time wasting for an 8-gear box, I'm afraid.

However, great job on BMW for straightening up the design of the 1/2 series. Now the car looks quite good.

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Easy. That was the sound of people bitching about the automatic transmission and other stock parts.
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Easy. That was the sound of people bitching about the automatic transmission and other stock parts.
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What was that whine?
Easy. That was the sound of people bitching about the automatic transmission and other stock parts.
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      02-23-2014, 07:51 AM   #81
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What was that whine?
Active sound system.

At least I wouldn't be sursprised if it was.
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This is a joke, not a racing car. It has a series engine and an automatic gearbox. It can work in american amateur racing, but not in the serious European championships. It's just marketing.
It's designed for homologation racing, and it's not even coming to the US. The intent is for it to compete in the VLN Endurance Championship and the Nrburgring 24 Hours on the Nrburgring-Nordschleife[1].

You can look down your nose at it all you want, but so far, it's looking like a pretty stellar deal for someone looking to go racing. The price is extremely cheap for a homologation car at 59,500.00.

1: http://www.bmw-motorsport.com/en/cars/bmw-m235ir.html
That's about $81,000 I think this a great price for a ready to go track vehicle. Purchasing and converting a M235i would be more expensive and not BMW Motorsport built. Again considering a Porsche 991 Cup is $250,000, this is a good deal.
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I've never seen a racing car with a torque converted tiptronic....a bit of a fail. should have a sequential or dual clutch gearbox.....
Couldn't agree more, and I'm not bashing the 2 as the 2 is a "truer" 3 series to me.
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Jesus, that thing has a turbo?! I thought turbos sounded lifeless and laggy Sure sounds like a bmw 6-in-a-row in the purest form.

Looks and sounds very snappy, I love it. I'm sure it will be offered with a stick too, but as an engineering exercise it shows how good modern autos are, regardless of that fact that many (like me) would still rather a stick.

Nice job bmw!
how do turbos sound lifeless? Have you never driven a proper turbo car?
Also comments about turbo lag make me laugh... this isn't 1981 anymore lag is a thing of the past. I've had DSMs with GT40s and you know what? Boost is always downshift away.
I drive a 27 year old turbo Maserati and I'll say this, the turbos sound anything but lifeless and lag is zero. I've not driven an N54 with lag or an N55 for that matter.
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how do turbos sound lifeless? Have you never driven a proper turbo car?
Also comments about turbo lag make me laugh... this isn't 1981 anymore lag is a thing of the past. I've had DSMs with GT40s and you know what? Boost is always downshift away.
I drive a 27 year old turbo Maserati and I'll say this, the turbos sound anything but lifeless and lag is zero. I've not driven an N54 with lag or an N55 for that matter.
I was being sarcastic, I imagine sometimes sarcasm doesn't translate well in the written word as compared to spoken.
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Can you hear those downshift sounds in the first video at 1:05 and up ? They sound really cool and I like them, but I am afraid it's just the sound of rapidly downshifting 1 gear at a time...this car does not downshift multiple gears at a time...it's a bit lame and time wasting for an 8-gear box, I'm afraid.

However, great job on BMW for straightening up the design of the 1/2 series. Now the car looks quite good.


I understood the zf8hp could support multiple downshifts, 8-2nd etc so it may be the mode the driver has it in or the speed at which he is changing. You should be able to blip it down 4 gears at a time etc iirc
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I was being sarcastic, I imagine sometimes sarcasm doesn't translate well in the written word as compared to spoken.
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