[Chack]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

That's the biggest quesiton to me...if they just turn up the boost and add a little cooling, it's not going to be worth the premium over the M235.

Hence, why a detuned S55 would have been a lot better...

I dont think the intended M2 Customer is transitioning from a M235i. I think the marketing position of the car will be aimed squarely at the consumer who wants performance and the BMW M badge - who is also a 1st time BMW customer.

How much more power can the N55 produce beyond that of the M235i? I wouldn't mind seeing the M2 with the N54 dropped in with some better cooling and slightly bigger compressors. I know thats not the reported engine... but still ..

[Guynamedsean]

Also the n55 in the m235 pulls hard to 7k rpm. The other cars mentioned pull hard til about 5-6k.

[hyperzulu]

In my runs with the M235i compared to my 335is, I feel like the N54 while very smooth is not as smooth as the N55. I think that's part of why the N54 feels faster. You get a more progressive throttle response from the N55, where the N54 feels sometimes like it's questioning if your intentions are to go fast, and then it says "oh, ok!" and darts off. Granted, when my engine triggers overboost, my 335is feels faster, but that's what the 50lbs added torque will do.

Compared to the 135i, I can't really say. I drove the 1 a few times to get a good idea of how the car felt and it was part of the reason why I knew the 2 would be an all-star. But I don't feel like the 1 was faster, again just less progressive in its application of power. I do feel like the 1 handles a bit less planted than the 2, which makes it feel a bit more "dangerous."

[Guynamedsean]

My 335is seemed quicker in certain situations but the 235 feels better overall with more consistent power and traction.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by hyperzulu

In my runs with the M235i compared to my 335is, I feel like the N54 while very smooth is not as smooth as the N55. I think that's part of why the N54 feels faster. You get a more progressive throttle response from the N55, where the N54 feels sometimes like it's questioning if your intentions are to go fast, and then it says "oh, ok!" and darts off. Granted, when my engine triggers overboost, my 335is feels faster, but that's what the 50lbs added torque will do.

Compared to the 135i, I can't really say. I drove the 1 a few times to get a good idea of how the car felt and it was part of the reason why I knew the 2 would be an all-star. But I don't feel like the 1 was faster, again just less progressive in its application of power. I do feel like the 1 handles a bit less planted than the 2, which makes it feel a bit more "dangerous."

Chack says the same thing about the "smoothness" - he thought the M235 was smoother in the power delivery over the N54 135.

Interesting that you felt the same way...

[jgunnz]

Have you reset the throttle? As I've shifted to more city driving, I've noticed less throttle response (car learning driving style). But, when coding my car, the throttle was reset and now it feels much more urgent again, in all modes.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Chack

I dont think the intended M2 Customer is transitioning from a M235i. I think the marketing position of the car will be aimed squarely at the consumer who wants performance and the BMW M badge - who is also a 1st time BMW customer.

How much more power can the N55 produce beyond that of the M235i? I wouldn't mind seeing the M2 with the N54 dropped in with some better cooling and slightly bigger compressors. I know thats not the reported engine... but still ..

Yes, and we have debated this ad nauseam.

I think it will depend on the direction they decide to go with the car - will it be a slightly juiced up M235? Or will it be a lightened, handling monster? The customer base, in my opinion, will be determined based on those factors.

We shall see....

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by jgunnz

Have you reset the throttle? As I've shifted to more city driving, I've noticed less throttle response (car learning driving style). But, when coding my car, the throttle was reset and now it feels much more urgent again, in all modes.

No, I haven't tried that - how do you do it??

[SmallTownBoy]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

No, I haven't tried that - how do you do it??

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1020477

[jgunnz]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

No, I haven't tried that - how do you do it??

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showt...erator+seconds

[jgunnz]

Originally Posted by SmallTownBoy

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1020477

Beat me to it.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by SmallTownBoy

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1020477

Originally Posted by jgunnz

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showt...erator+seconds

Gracias.

[Guynamedsean]

M235 might be one of the best sports cars ever made for fast city driving on shitty roads. Porsches handle better but an m235 can corner faster on bumpy uneven pavement without spilling your coffee.

[SmallTownBoy]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Gracias.

De nada mi amigo. Felices viajes a usted!

[Chack]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Yes, and we have debated this ad nauseam.

I think it will depend on the direction they decide to go with the car - will it be a slightly juiced up M235? Or will it be a lightened, handling monster? The customer base, in my opinion, will be determined based on those factors.

We shall see....

Which of those outcomes would indicate to you that BMW is targeting M235 owners?

[3.0L]

I can't wait to see if I feel like a target when the M2 hits the showroom.

[ska///235i]

Originally Posted by Guynamedsean

M235 might be one of the best sports cars ever made for fast city driving on shitty roads. Porsches handle better but an m235 can corner faster on bumpy uneven pavement without spilling your coffee.

Hahaha

Soft is good

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Chack

Which of those outcomes would indicate to you that BMW is targeting M235 owners?

Because of the gradual move towards a more GT oriented experience, starting with the E92 M3, the new M3/4 are not the kind of visceral experience to which you could equate your time in the E46 M3. They are today's version of the M6 10 years ago.

Hence, the M2 could be the modern version of the E46 M3, if BMW decides to go that direction.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I got the M235 because there wasn't an entry M model available in my price range (1M prices too high in used market, M2 wasn't even confirmed, M3/4 weren't yet being delivered). So this car represented the best (I thought at the time, since I bought it sight/drive unseen) performance value for the money.

I hope that BMW is shooting to get someone like me, who values the driving experience over 0-60 times, when unveiling the M2.

[nachob]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I hope that BMW is shooting to get someone like me, who values the driving experience over 0-60 times, when unveiling the M2.

AMEN!

[Chack]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Because of the gradual move towards a more GT oriented experience, starting with the E92 M3, the new M3/4 are not the kind of visceral experience to which you could equate your time in the E46 M3. They are today's version of the M6 10 years ago.

Hence, the M2 could be the modern version of the E46 M3, if BMW decides to go that direction.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I got the M235 because there wasn't an entry M model available in my price range (1M prices too high in used market, M2 wasn't even confirmed, M3/4 weren't yet being delivered). So this car represented the best (I thought at the time, since I bought it sight/drive unseen) performance value for the money.

I hope that BMW is shooting to get someone like me, who values the driving experience over 0-60 times, when unveiling the M2.

+1

Here's to hoping the M2 is underpinned by at the very least M3/M4 suspension bits... even if the engine is largely unchanged from the M235i. I agree, that the trend of bigger cars makes the M2 a potential sweet spot car for those of us who loved the e46 dimensionally...

On another note. There is someone in the office who believes their G37 sedan will make short work of your M235i and my 135i... thought you should know...

[nachob]

Originally Posted by Chack

+1

Here's to hoping the M2 is underpinned by at the very least M3/M4 suspension bits... even if the engine is largely unchanged from the M235i. I agree, that the trend of bigger cars makes the M2 a potential sweet spot car for those of us who loved the e46

Amen! There was a lot of misunderstanding for 1 series guys that thought the 1M was just a souped up 135i and would say their 135i with a tune was the same thing but it wasn't. The 1M had the e90 M3s all aluminum strut housings and other M3 parts. The brakes were sturdier than the nicer looking 135 brakes. The steering rack was the same unit as the M3 which was much quicker and you needed it to try to keep the backend in line. The flywheel was lightened and it had the full-lock M3 diff not a limited slip 30% max unit. All of these m3 underpinnings were unseen by the masses but made for a really cool experience. I hope the M2 follows suit! I also think they should offer the fixed firm m suspension! I don't want a comfort button in my M car. It's still an option in the current M3 but not a choice in the 235! You are forced to take EDC suspension. I want that choice!

[danimal]

Originally Posted by Chack

On another note. There is someone in the office who believes their G37 sedan will make short work of your M235i and my 135i... thought you should know...

You guys are doomed to lose...

At rear seat leg room.
Fuel tank capacity.
Road hugging weight.

Try not to be depressed.