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      03-03-2014, 06:02 PM   #133
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He is busy, at Geneva.
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      03-03-2014, 06:18 PM   #134
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Arrow The 1M was powered by a non-S engine!

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S55 is OK. S48 is even better IMO. But N55? Never. Not ///M worthy.
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This is bitter sweet news... It's great that BMW has decided to go with a 6 as oppose to a 4, but an N55? I mean how many generations of cars are they going to try and get out of the N55. Sure, it's probably upgraded a little, but c'mon, let's get a new 6!

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It's not about the N55 being cheap. It's about M division's history of putting M division motors in M cars. For example, the S55 has a different block than the N55.

The OP said Upgraded. Hopefully that means, S and not N. Nothing against N motors, but S motors belong in M cars.

^^You guys do realize that the 1M was powered by a standard N54 production engine. Not a "special" S motor made by hand from ///M. Ok, I made up that made by hand crap. but you know what I am saying...

IF it worked the first time around(in the 1M) there is no reason to think ///M can't hit one outta the park - again!


While the M235i is powered by the N55 engine... my "sources" tell me it feels faster than the 1M(does) in straight line speed acell. And in the turns the M235i feels pretty darn good(from what I am told)due to the PSS's and stiffer chassis. I am hoping to test a M235i soon(BMW are you listening?).



I think once ///M puts a proper suspension on the 2er, the car will be a very nice canyon carver.

Also... the current N55's pull really well at high rpms. Even with the ZF 8AT(with the sport pack), its a GREAT package/combo! I don't know what BMW has changed but somethings different on the current N55's that I have driven.


And don't forget when the M2 finally does hit the streets, the M235i will go away. The M235i is only here to fill the void until the M2 is ready to come to the market.


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      03-03-2014, 06:22 PM   #135
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Tq curve on the S65 is remarkably (for a high revving NA motor) flat at ~250 to it's peak of 295.
Yes, I know and I love that engine for what it is and the E90 and E92 M3s. I don't go and write unjustified and absurd things in M3 threads just to justify my purchase.

People need to learn to like what they have without cursing what others have. Of course, only if they want to sound like over 16.
Best comment by far. I don't know why people get into a pissing match about dumb little things like m3 vs m5 etc. and not just enjoy the cars.

BMW's are brilliant machines. Each model designed for specific purposes. Get the one you love best and enjoy the hell out of it! I welcome the M2 with whatever engine variant may it be...this may be very well my next car.
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      03-03-2014, 06:29 PM   #136
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The 1M Coupé made sense too, and this round they've got more development time. Wasn't the N55 already out when the 1M with the N54 came to the market?!
But look at it like that the N55, thanks to the experience with it is more reliable and it requires time to optimize it for this stage of development.
I'm still waiting for some spy shots with a peek under the bonnet or something like that, because I don't wanna celebrate too soon but it's definitely a good sign (for me).
The initial engine proposal for the 1M was effectively the N55 engine. However, the idea was shelved due to Valvetronic issues: these issues could not be solved within the tight time window. Exit N55 - Enter N54. The rest is history.
(http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...79&postcount=1)

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As much as I love the inline 6. I really hope it comes with an M engineered S designated engine. This news is rather disappointing. Hopefully it isn't true. I was looking forward to an "S20". Or an untuned s55.
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What no supercharged S20
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Similar "S-ifying" of the N20 would make for a much more unique motor than an N55.
In the past @Scott26 reported about "a completely reworked N20 based four cylinder" for the M2.
"Although work has commenced on the "Downsized" M, The M2 or the replacement for the most admired 1er M Coupe.
It is known as the "Downsized" M because BMW M are investigating the concept of a completely reworked N20 based four cylinder in terms of the successor to the 1M offering the same recipe as before but with lower weight but still offering the entry to M ownership with the key of precision rather than outright power."

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showpo...9&postcount=23 - July 2012)
And less than a year ago a 4-banger was 'confirmed' too for the M2:
"BMW M2 Coupe - Successor to the BMW 1 Series M Coupe continues the same formula that made the last car be memorable, no huge competitor in the HP race, four cylinder will bring less weight, which matter most as does more enjoyment and overall feel is considered to be more of a priority than who has the biggest numbers. Already confirmed to be coming by BMW CEO.
BMW M2 Gran Coupe - Baby Coupe inherits a four door brother and RWD, Direct competitor to the Mercedes-Benz CLA45 AMG. Scott26 shares that there are now firm plans for an M2 Gran Coupe."

(http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=818302 - March 2013)
Did the BMW M Division change its mind ? Or are different M2 models (with different engine layout) in the pipeline, such as for example a limited edition lightweight M2 version with only the bare essentials (M2 CSL) ?
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      03-03-2014, 06:30 PM   #137
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MEH. the 1M was more of an M car than the M3, imo....the spirit is more important than the criteria.
I have no idea why people are flaming you so much. Although personally I'm not sure if I completely agree with this statement, I don't think you are that far from the truth. The 1M was more than deserving of the M brand.
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This month's Car and Driver has a article about 25 upcoming cars you should wait for. The M2 is on the list and they said it is a 400+ hp version of the N55 engine.

I saw this as well. it was quite humorous since BMW officials and moderators on this site deny that an M2 has even been approved
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Development is done. Slap some proper fenders on the M235i Racing, quad exhaust, M3/4 seats and let's go
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      03-03-2014, 07:09 PM   #140
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There was ever doubt that an M2 was coming??
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I have an n55 1er with dct and really dont like it compared to my s65.

Never driven a 1m but i love that little machine and wish i could buy one but you all know what absurd pricing ppl are asking. With all the suspension tuning plus a tuned n54 (most agree that it is a better engine than the n55) it must be a nice overall package.

Are the engines that different? Because i cant stand the n55. It feels like it doesnt pull at the track.
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Wait, remind me what's so special about it? I mean, the S55 at least adds some reasonable technology. It's not as special as the S65 or the S54, but it's not a cookie cutter motor that's in everything from the $38.8k X1 35i to the $81k 740Li xDrive.

Similar "S-ifying" of the N20 would make for a much more unique motor than an N55.
would love to see a light 4banger with some crazy boost and high revving!

(damn that grammar sucked)
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      03-03-2014, 07:37 PM   #143
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I hope that the N55 will help to keep the car price down. A 55K$ CAD M2 could be a very good value.
I would guess it will cost much more than that.Probably about $70,000 CDN fully loaded.
As the difference between the 135i and the M235i was not too high I would say the same with the M2. The 1m was 53600$ so I would say around 55500$ base and around 66-68k$ fully loaded.
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A s55 powered 3000 lbs M2 for 55k would be perfect. N55 is just a commuter car engine. it can't even beet it's predecessor the N54.
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      03-03-2014, 09:56 PM   #146
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I hope they won't make limited number of them like the 1 m series,.if they won't I will wait for it and hold of on the new m3...
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There was ever doubt that an M2 was coming??
Still dont believe it
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scott said the m2 will have a V8....i ran into him at the corner store no joke
Laughed pretty hard at this
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Did your source told you what type of auto transmission the car will have ZF8 or DCT7?
Current BMW trends have been:

Normal models (including M-Performance, e.g. M235i): 8-speed auto and 6-speed manual

M-specific models (M3, M5, etc.): 7-speed M-DCT and 6-speed manual

Cars like the 135i and 335is with the 'regular' DCT are being phased out as far as I can tell. With that being said, I would be willing to bet the M2 will get the M-DCT and 6-speed manual. Especially if the engine is similar to that fitted to the F80/F82 M3/M4.
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M2 with N55 makes a lot of business sense. However, like @Levi I was hoping for a S48. Honestly for BMW to have a bespoke engine for the M2 will cost too much for them to keep the price point low

You will see M2 a bit quicker than 1M stock and I am sure this time round it will be tune more like the M3 which emphasise on precision rather than fun.

However, I don't think the M2 potential with the N55 will be as good as the 1M, and a modded 1M will be better than any modded M2.
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^^You guys do realize that the 1M was powered by a standard N54 production engine. Not a "special" S motor made by hand from ///M. Ok, I made up that made by hand crap. but you know what I am saying...

IF it worked the first time around(in the 1M) there is no reason to think ///M can't hit one outta the park - again!


While the M235i is powered by the N55 engine... my "sources" tell me it feels faster than the 1M(does) in straight line speed acell. And in the turns the M235i feels pretty darn good(from what I am told)due to the PSS's and stiffer chassis. I am hoping to test a M235i soon(BMW are you listening?).



I think once ///M puts a proper suspension on the 2er, the car will be a very nice canyon carver.

Also... the current N55's pull really well at high rpms. Even with the ZF 8AT(with the sport pack), its a GREAT package/combo! I don't know what BMW has changed but somethings different on the current N55's that I have driven.


And don't forget when the M2 finally does hit the streets, the M235i will go away. The M235i is only here to fill the void until the M2 is ready to come to the market.


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EXACTLY

and it's widely considered 'not a true M car'... calling it an M2 would be a mistake, it would have to be called a 2M, in line with the 1M

regardless, if it's equipped with an N55, it will never be as fast as a modified 1M with the N54, a motor much easier to modify, and that will produce much more power
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and it's widely considered 'not a true M car'... calling it an M2 would be a mistake, it would have to be called a 2M, in line with the 1M)
LOLWUT?

The reason they didn't call it an M1 is because there was ALREADY a car named the M1. It was a mid-engine super car, it won a lot of races...

M2 has no such legacy and therefor it can be a "proper" M car.
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And don't forget when the M2 finally does hit the streets, the M235i will go away. The M235i is only here to fill the void until the M2 is ready to come to the market.


Dackel
Where are you basing this off of, Dackel? When the 1M hit the market, the 135i didn't go away. In fact, BMW introduced a further model -- the 135is (which is the true predecessor to the M235i) -- during the 1M's production run.
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