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Agree **1 million *** percent. The complete fail here beings with autobuild comparing vehicles with different missions. As someone else mentioned earlier... the E46 M3 and M235 are almost apples and oranges.. The E46 M3 will compare to the M2... just as the 1M was a relatively good comparison model with the E46M3. Indeed, the E46 330 Zhp is the car to compare with the M235i, and it's clear that M235i is a helluva car. Soon it will become the M240... and I wholeheartedly agree.. the 2 series is a very important model for BMW returning to be a company that builds great sports sedans that you don't have to break the bank to afford. Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 11-19-2014 at 12:55 PM.. |
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The fact that so many of you sit here and defend one car vs the other makes me laugh. Why not just appreciate both cars and move on lol...
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Look, the E46 M3 defined the M3 for a huge portion of BMW enthusiasts. It just did. You don't get much more M than a high revving NA straight 6 and a manual. Its going to go down as an icon in the performance car world - price appreciation on some models (manual LSB, anyone?) is already starting and they aren't even 15 years old yet. The M235i is a great car, but it just won't ever reach that status. It's sandwiched between the 1M and the M2. That doesn't mean it's not an awesome car in its own right. It's like my 335-great car and a blast to drive. It will thrash the hell out of my E30 M3, but you guess which of the two is an icon. |
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Personally, I think this shows more of how good the E46 M3 is/was than vice versa. The car is 14 years old and it still keeps up with BMW's equally sized, M Performance version of the 235i. That's impressive.
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I found this video. It should answer questions about comparing it to the M3 CSL or ZHP variants of the E46. Its in english and european. To bad we cant get CSL in the states. I think the E46 M3 competition package is the closest we got to a CSL
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I think the point of all this was mentioned in an earlier posting. What's truly remarkable is that an 11 year old car with 11 year old technology can more than hold it's own against the current state-of-the-art. THAT is the real story here and it is a real testament to the E46 M3.
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11-20-2014, 03:21 PM | #82 | |
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It's too early to tell. Give it a few years. I bought a 323i in 1998, and at the time people were lamenting it was the end of great BMW design, it was too soft and curvy, lost its edge, was a luxury boat now, yada yada. It wasn't until several years later that it landed the now lauded "classic design" status. Here's a post from a long thread in alt.autos.bmw from 1998: Subject: Anyone else disappointed how '99 3xx looks vs 91-98 3xx? Saw new '99 323 today from behind and side and thought it is a new Hyndai. New 3xx looks great on photos but the real thing does not look as edgy as an older 3xx. Quite a disappointment. and I like the frontal view, but the rest of the thing is really quite ordinary...looks like 99% of the rest of the crap out there, but apparantly, that was the idea. The rear view is decidedly fugly. and When BMW sent me their magazine announcing the new 3, at first glance, I thought I was looking at a Pontiac Bonneville. I heard a lot of people say that the car looks better in person than in pictures, which is true...but, by far, doesn't make up for the ordinary looks. and the whole E46 project is just a bunch of watered-down "market-driven" compromises. maybe it should also come with a lipstick in the sunvisor that matches your exterior paint scheme. i'm all for babes driving cool "guy" cars, but i hate when i see guys driving chick cars like preludes, and celicas. in either case, any guy in an E46 (until M3 comes out) is firmly planted behind the wheel of "The Ultimate Chick Machine". and Well, my 2 bits says.... the E46 looks like a pregnant car, the body bulging out all over & I for one prefer the E36 as far as automotive sculpture goes. The convertible is one of the cleanest designs I can think of. That whole bloated car look,possibly revived by the Porsche 928 a generation ago, just doesn't get it for me. The Jaguar mk 10 and the Fabulous Hudson Hornet also come to mind... smaller sloping in greenhouse, whale like from the window sill down... I know this is an exaggeration, but that is the impression that I get from the E46. Last edited by millifoo; 11-20-2014 at 03:29 PM.. |
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Everybody says they would take the e46 until money is on the line to make the purchase. If I knew I was going to shell out 20-25k for a good condition e46 M, I would think about leasing an m235 and saving a few bucks and having a faster and more comfortable car.
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For the comparison obsessed, you really need to be comparing to this, not the M3, to be fair.
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It's impossible to compare the two. Hell someone said like comparing a 1M to a E46M. I own a 1M, I love it to pieces for what it is, it's a snappy, very quick, rowdy car.
However, it's nothing like a E46M. The E46M was precise and won it's battles with a high revving, smooth as silk I6 built from the ground up for that car. The 1M has loads of torque and a platform shared motor. It doesn't make it any less special, but it's not a E46 M3. Nothing ever will be. It truly is the pinnacle of what the M3 should be. |
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