[midlifecrisis]

I ran out to do some errands this morning and hopped into the M235 to head out. It's chilly this morning so I wanted to make sure I warmed it up fully before having fun. Oops! Oh, yeah - no oil temp gauge, so I really can't tell when it's ready.

I know there are aftermarket solutions, but the more I think about it the more I view this omission as another slap in the face to BMW's enthusiast base. Especially with a turbocharged engine, I'd like to know when it's fully warmed up. Every BMW I've ever owned has had a temp gauge - except this one.

Since I'm cranky and enjoying my Sunday morning rant - while I'm at it BMW - next time put a grab handle or detent on the doors where folks can actually get some leverage and control the door swing.

Making these little things right would make a big difference. As it is, they remind me that this isn't quite the drivers' brand it used to be.

There. I feel better now. I need another cup of coffee.

[jpnh]

Unfortunately its pretty much a universal complaint that appears to have fallen on deaf german ears

I'll be going for the vent guage option very soon

[Dylan86]

Is P3 cars the only vent gauge option ?

[Sam_M]

http://www.awron-shop.de/



Pricey though

[bimmerfile]

Originally Posted by midlifecrisis

............................................... no oil temp gauge, so I really can't tell when it's ready.

........................................

Simple answer: Drive away immediately - it's ready to go.
No need to wait for the engine to warm-up while the vehicle remains stationary.
Start driving right away, but at moderate engine speeds. This is the fastest way to get the oil circulating and thus protect the engine..

[Tpeterson]

I went with P3Cars gauge.It has all the temps and other data (some of which aren't relevant). The major failing it has is the need to scroll through all the readings to get to the one that is wanted without being able scroll backwards. If you want to spent the money get the Awron gauge.

[E90 87ss]

obdii ELM327 + a phone app is the cheapest solution ($15-$25). I have a magnetic vent clip that I attach an old phone to...

+ the phone apps display much more than just oil & coolant temp.

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by Tpeterson

I went with P3Cars gauge.It has all the temps and other data (some of which aren't relevant). The major failing it has is the need to scroll through all the readings to get to the one that is wanted without being able scroll backwards. If you want to spent the money get the Awron gauge.

The other plus to the P3Cars guage is the ease of installation.....its quite literally a 10 minute job

The Awron is nicer but twice the price and much more involved to install

[overcoil]

Secret Menu works great for me.

[Wheelwright]

I see lawsuits after our engine seizes because of insufficient lubrication and BMW refuses to pay $30,000 USD (my guess) engine replacement bill.

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by E90 87ss

obdii ELM327 + a phone app is the cheapest solution ($15-$25). I have a magnetic vent clip that I attach an old phone to...

+ the phone apps display much more than just oil & coolant temp.

I like that option

How much of a PITA is it to scroll through the app menu to get to temp readings?

Does it have a "bookmark" of sorts or dashboard that you can customize to be persistent and show certain favorites?

[Sam_M]

Torque pro has a configurable dashboard, very little effort needed to select once paired





http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1083154

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[midlifecrisis]

Originally Posted by bimmerfile

Simple answer: Drive away immediately - it's ready to go.
No need to wait for the engine to warm-up while the vehicle remains stationary.
Start driving right away, but at moderate engine speeds. This is the fastest way to get the oil circulating and thus protect the engine..

I agree to a point. I start and drive away immediately. I want to know when it's fully warm so I know when I can run the car hard. I don't want to lose an A/C vent to hang a phone on the dash to find out.

[bimmerfile]

Originally Posted by Wheelwright

I see lawsuits after our engine seizes because of insufficient lubrication and BMW refuses to pay $30,000 USD (my guess) engine replacement bill.

Nonsense,, Have you seen any such lawsuits to-date?

Page 158 of the F22/F23 owners manual:

Drive away immediately
Do not wait for the engine to warm-up while
the vehicle remains stationary. Start driving
right away, but at moderate engine speeds.
This is the quickest way of warming the cold
engine up to operating temperature.

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by bimmerfile

Nonsense,, Have you seen any such lawsuits to-date?

Page 158 of the F22/F23 owners manual:

Drive away immediately
Do not wait for the engine to warm-up while
the vehicle remains stationary. Start driving
right away, but at moderate engine speeds.
This is the quickest way of warming the cold
engine up to operating temperature.

Who ever thought that pigs would fly and VW would volunteer/be forced to buy back 500k diesel passenger vehicles over an emmissions cheat scandal that a pile of other manufacturers including Gov Motors have been slapped on the wrist for in years past

I dont think its out of the realm of possibility that a lawsuit for failure to provide sufficient instrumentation for proper operation of vehicle is a possibility

I'm not thrilled with what appears to be an inability to re-bore/resleeve the B58.....unless they come up with a rebuild option/kit/boring/sleeve option these engines appear to be disposable

[BMWZ4]

Originally Posted by bimmerfile

Nonsense,, Have you seen any such lawsuits to-date?

Page 158 of the F22/F23 owners manual:

Drive away immediately
Do not wait for the engine to warm-up while
the vehicle remains stationary. Start driving
right away, but at moderate engine speeds.
This is the quickest way of warming the cold
engine up to operating temperature.

Agreed. That's one suit that would never get passed bmw's legal nor would it make any sense.

[bimmerfile]

Originally Posted by jpnh

Who ever thought that pigs would fly and VW would volunteer/be forced to buy back 500k diesel passenger vehicles over an emmissions cheat scandal that a pile of other manufacturers including Gov Motors have been slapped on the wrist for in years past

I dont think its out of the realm of possibility that a lawsuit for failure to provide sufficient instrumentation for proper operation of vehicle is a possibility

I'm not thrilled with what appears to be an inability to re-bore/resleeve the B58.....unless they come up with a rebuild option/kit/boring/sleeve option these engines appear to be disposable

I don't know or understand what you're saying, but I will defend your right to say it.

[3.0L]

Originally Posted by Wheelwright

I see lawsuits after our engine seizes because of insufficient lubrication and BMW refuses to pay $30,000 USD (my guess) engine replacement bill.

This is nuts. I can assure you that the oil pressure does not come up because you are watching a gauge. Gauge or no gauge, the oil pressure comes up almost the instant the engine starts turning over.

[midlifecrisis]

I don't know about lawsuits, but I do think lack of this formerly standard instrument makes it harder to optimize the durability of these engines.

[midlifecrisis]

Originally Posted by 3.0L

This is nuts. I can assure you that the oil pressure does not come up because you are watching a gauge. Gauge or no gauge, the oil pressure comes up almost the instant the engine starts turning over.

Oil pressure comes up almost immediately. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to to stomp on it when the engine is cold. I'm pretty sure that would affect engine life significantly - both in terms of oil flow (as opposed to pressure) and tolerances that change as the engine warms up.

[Luddy]

I typically follow the 6 mile or 15 minute rule. I believe you also can't use launch control until you satisfy one of those.

Also, I haven't experienced really cold outside temps yet. Lowest was about 38. I don't get to drive really hard on the way to work in the morning. Typically toward the end of my commute is when I get to do that and at that point I am about 25 minutes in.

That said I wish their was a gauge cause I feel I tend to lean towards caution.

[overcoil]

You younguns are really lazy these days.

When I was a lad learning to drive; we had to take a metal key and insert it in a tumbler. And at toll booths you had to stop and hand a human coins or paper money. And real effort was needed to get healthy porn, you had to either buy magazines or videos and then either wait for the mail or go to a brick and mortar joint.

If you take all of 40 seconds to; press start and the display reset button and punch in your code ( derived from the vin) you get coolant, oil and a bunch of other temp readings on your dash.
For me to get my temps high enough to shift at 6700rpm it takes me around ten miles. I won't go above 4000 rpm till I'm well in the 90 Celsius for oil temp. When I'm over 100 Celsius then I increase the rpm shift point in 1000 rpm steps and getting a little more heat for each increment.