[coldbrosss]

Hi,

Stupid question but i was just curious as i'm living in canada and it snows like these weeks what is harder to control XDrive dsc off vs rwd dsc On, im asking this cause i was planning on maybe switching to a manual m2 from 2017-18, but since even xdrive with dsc off is sliding everywhere when giving throttle(i know i shouldnt if i dont wanna slide ahhaaha but i love sliding i guess) but is a rwd only harder in the winter?

Thanks.

[Dom147]

I'd say tires have more of an effect on your ability to drive in cold and harsh conditions. an experienced driver will for sure choose the rwd option since most cases of slipping will be correctable. one thing many fail to thin about is that both cars (assuming they have the same tires) will have the exact same braking distance. If anything the xdrive will have it worse due to it weighing more.

In any case, choose the car that you want! Winter tires will make any car manageable!

[coldbrosss]

Originally Posted by Dom147

I'd say tires have more of an effect on your ability to drive in cold and harsh conditions. an experienced driver will for sure choose the rwd option since most cases of slipping will be correctable. one thing many fail to thin about is that both cars (assuming they have the same tires) will have the exact same braking distance. If anything the xdrive will have it worse due to it weighing more.

In any case, choose the car that you want! Winter tires will make any car manageable!

I already have winter tires on the m240i but was curious if a rwd would be even harder than xdrive with dsc off haha i should test drive one someday. But even after getting a m240i my heart is still debating moving to an m2 or not, weird thing

[n55david]

Originally Posted by coldbrosss

I already have winter tires on the m240i but was curious if a rwd would be even harder than xdrive with dsc off haha i should test drive one someday. But even after getting a m240i my heart is still debating moving to an m2 or not, weird thing

Awd will always be superior in bad weather regardless..

[SpencerC_6MT]

Originally Posted by n55david

Awd will always be superior in bad weather regardless..

Considering your location tag, I'm sure you know this, but 2WD on snow tires is far superior to AWD on any other type of tire.

[coldbrosss]

Originally Posted by SpencerC_6MT

Considering your location tag, I'm sure you know this, but 2WD on snow tires is far superior to AWD on any other type of tire.

Yes im taking into the equation that both car will have winter tires on but just one with dsc off xdrive and the other with dsc on rwd

[coldbrosss]

Originally Posted by n55david

Awd will always be superior in bad weather regardless..

Ok ok this answers it, so before switching to the m2 might be a good step to drive with dsc off in xdrive to get the hang of it?

[n55david]

Originally Posted by SpencerC_6MT

Considering your location tag, I'm sure you know this, but 2WD on snow tires is far superior to AWD on any other type of tire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRYHlb61_9Q

Sure but all things being equal.. its always better.. shouldn't this be ovvious?

[n55david]

Originally Posted by coldbrosss

Ok ok this answers it, so before switching to the m2 might be a good step to drive with dsc off in xdrive to get the hang of it?

Yeah, always good to get a feel for the car etc

[SpencerC_6MT]

Originally Posted by coldbrosss

Ok ok this answers it, so before switching to the m2 might be a good step to drive with dsc off in xdrive to get the hang of it?

Not a bad idea, but try not to get too used to AWD dynamics. You could be caught off-guard if you treat it like "AWD but less traction"; it's more complex than that, as I'm sure you know. Maybe buy xDelete to compare directly how your car drives in RWD mode vs xDrive

[SpencerC_6MT]

Originally Posted by n55david

Sure but all things being equal.. its always better.. shouldn't this be ovvious?

All things being equal of course, but a lot of people have the misconception that AWD nullifies the need for snow tires. Just wanted to put it out there for the people who need to hear it.

[n55david]

Originally Posted by SpencerC_6MT

All things being equal of course, but a lot of people have the misconception that AWD nullifies the need for snow tires. Just wanted to put it out there for the people who need to hear it.

100% agree here. It helps but snow tires and awd is the best 👌

[Kernel Kurtz]

In DTC mode, or with DSC off, the AWD still behaves much like a RWD car. You can hang the tail out in corners or do doughnuts on a wet parking lot if you so desire. The dynamics of weight transfer apply much the same.

I'm not sure the difference in layout is that important compared to just the difference in how far the various nannies will let you go. DSC on is very interventionist, and will shut you down at the slightest hint of a slide. DTC mode will let you slide around a little, but will still correct if you get too far out of hand, and DSC off won't help you at all no matter what you do - you are on your own. You can choose any of these things regardless whether your car is RWD or AWD. It's more down to how comfortable you are with your driving IMO.

[coldbrosss]

Originally Posted by Kernel Kurtz

In DTC mode, or with DSC off, the AWD still behaves much like a RWD car. You can hang the tail out in corners or do doughnuts on a wet parking lot if you so desire. The dynamics of weight transfer apply much the same.

I'm not sure the difference in layout is that important compared to just the difference in how far the various nannies will let you go. DSC on is very interventionist, and will shut you down at the slightest hint of a slide. DTC mode will let you slide around a little, but will still correct if you get too far out of hand, and DSC off won't help you at all no matter what you do - you are on your own. You can choose any of these things regardless whether your car is RWD or AWD. It's more down to how comfortable you are with your driving IMO.

Yeah cause i drove with dsc off and even with xdrive like youve said it slides way too easily with the slight touch of gas, 3-4k rpm is enough to kick it. Thats why i was curious would a rwd behave the same if i had dsc on or still that the xdrive, cause im just a little scared with the winter(even with winter tires) that i have difficulty with rwd, lets say im in traffic in a red light and with rwd i could slide a bit to the left ot right even i start from 2nd gear and keep rpm lows. Maybe a rwd is just a bad idea to go out with when weather is bad like its been yesterday in canada and roads are unplowed. Thank you all for your inputs, was just a curious question to compare if the nanies off makes xdrive handle like a rwd

[coldbrosss]

OR i might just need to get better at being a drive and enjoy the process of taming a beast i guess hahaha

[freakystyly]

I've DD'd RWD manuals in southern Ontario for a few cars now. We don't typically get buried in snow but winter is winter. Just drive like a normal person and you'll be fine. The traction control nannies work fantastic if you want a civilized drive. Or turn them off and learn to use your throttle as an analog control instead of a digital on/off switch. If you are only interested in 0-60 times in winter, stick to AWD.

[coldbrosss]

Originally Posted by SpencerC_6MT

Not a bad idea, but try not to get too used to AWD dynamics. You could be caught off-guard if you treat it like "AWD but less traction"; it's more complex than that, as I'm sure you know. Maybe buy xDelete to compare directly how your car drives in RWD mode vs xDrive

wouldnt xdelete be bad with opendiff when there is a lot of sliding invlolved?

[coldbrosss]

Originally Posted by freakystyly

I've DD'd RWD manuals in southern Ontario for a few cars now. We don't typically get buried in snow but winter is winter. Just drive like a normal person and you'll be fine. The traction control nannies work fantastic if you want a civilized drive. Or turn them off and learn to use your throttle as an analog control instead of a digital on/off switch. If you are only interested in 0-60 times in winter, stick to AWD.

This is reassuring and no i dont care about 0-60 i like the handling of the car more. How do you deal with redlights, when you have a hill do you usually get stuck or do you calculate it and give the throttle input to not stop?

[freakystyly]

Uphill does really suck from a stop and will be embarrassing even with winter tires. The LSD on the M2 will help.

Slow gradual throttle or DTC off spinning left to right wildly will get you going about the same speed in that situation.

[Kernel Kurtz]

Originally Posted by coldbrosss

Maybe a rwd is just a bad idea to go out with when weather is bad like its been yesterday in canada and roads are unplowed.

I'm probably a lot older than you, but I grew up with RWD cars (AWD was not a thing outside of 4WD trucks) and with snow tires we did not hide inside. If you have good tires both FWD and RWD are perfectly fine in the winter so long as you know how your car handles. I like AWD now that it is a thing, but it is far from a necessity.

Buy what you like, put good tires on it, learn to drive it well - this applies no matter your chassis layout and irrespective of any modern control systems. None of them replace the actual driver. Cheers.

[coldbrosss]

Originally Posted by Kernel Kurtz

I'm probably a lot older than you, but I grew up with RWD cars (AWD was not a thing outside of 4WD trucks) and with snow tires we did not hide inside. If you have good tires both FWD and RWD are perfectly fine in the winter so long as you know how your car handles. I like AWD now that it is a thing, but it is far from a necessity.

Buy what you like, put good tires on it, learn to drive it well - this applies no matter your chassis layout and irrespective of any modern control systems. None of them replace the actual driver. Cheers.

Yes im 27yo right now, kinda used to either fwd or awd, my vision on a drivers car is a rwd with a manual transmission, i don't think im gonna rest until i get that experience it seems like, i know there is the g42 m240i that comes standard with an lsd too thats in the same price range as an m2, so im just lost right now on what i actually want to switch too, its rough cause they are all so great cars, but yeah the luxury on my current 18 m240i is already enough for me and love that it isnt saturated with technology even if im in tech. Sometimes i think of just grabbing my balls and going for an m2 and keep that car for the long long run and get a car for winter beater 4years from now but keep that car and love it forever, i was also thinking of putting an lsd on my current xdrive but its a PAIN to do on xdrive and will easily go up to 5k cad so at that moment i was like might as well go for an m2. So yea ill repeat that im lost between a manual 18 m2 (which ill struggle with winter at first but i guess thatll be the fun of it ), keep my current car and build on it, or switch to the 2022 (where the is no full electronic dash) g42 m240i which from videos like mishas

looks promising with little mods and i get xdrive for all year. So yeah would love to get some of yalls insight cause i truly cant decide for myself right now. And yes i plan on tracking the car few days in the summer and do some ice driving in the winter but just lets say 6-8 times a year and the rest spirited driving. Thanks!

[Kernel Kurtz]

I grew up with 5.0 Mustangs back in the 80s. All manuals, and all modded. They were still fun to drive in the winter. Put studded tires all around and they are scary fast even on slippery roads, I have no doubt an M2 would be even more so.

Manual and RWD is the classic sports car definition. If you have not had one, now would be the time because with the (excessive IMO) push to BEVs their days are probably numbered. Good luck and have fun!