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      04-14-2014, 09:24 AM   #67
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I don't know if it's related to the active sound, but has anyone noticed that the sound and the tachometer don't seem to be in sync? I'll hear the engine revving while the tachometer drops the revs after an upshift and the upshift sound follows after a delay. It only happens in lower gears at low speeds, but it's really annoying.
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      04-14-2014, 11:25 AM   #68
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So I was wondering would people be ok with the sound symposer method instead of the active sound?

In other words would routing the engine sound with a tube up against the firewall be acceptable while routing it through your speakers not be?
I have no problem with pipes, mechanical systems so you can hear the engine sound better. The muffler itself modifies the sound but I draw the line at digitally transferring it through the stereo or playing a soundtrack.

I prefer mechanical sounds and separation of duties:

Here is an odd analogy but I think it relates:
Front wheel drive is transferring power to the road and doing the steering. The Consensus is that RWD is better because the front wheels steer and rears drive. Less burden on each and you get feedback from both front and rear wheels. Likewise, I want my $900 Harman Kardon stereo to be optimized for one thing....playing music and my exhaust to make power and sweet sound. I don't want my HK to be compromised because it has to do dual duty of transferring engine sound while playing music. I also like real steering feedback not PS3 Controller fake bumps which I'm sure are coming next if we don't call out BMW on the fake stuff.
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      04-14-2014, 11:33 AM   #69
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Clearly they are doing something right. They just announced record profits, an excellent sales forecast and their stocks are at all time highs. That's what will speak to them at the end of the day, not somebody being furious because of badges, labels and fake sound.
A fish can be dead before it stinks! Enjoy all the profits that are based on the past perception of BMW being the sports-sedan maker where Mercedes was stodgy old-people car. Eventually, with all the fake this and that, the 16 M badges on pseudo-M cars, people will wake up and they will lose their credibility so profits now don't mean profits down the road. People are like cattle, they follow the group.

When you go buy something, they don't say, this is better...they say "most popular" and cattle people think that popular = better. When I started in IT the worst computer made was the Packard Bell PC.... They were also the number one seller in the US.....they made tons of profits....and they are gone!
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      08-21-2015, 06:42 AM   #70
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I hate things that are fake. Piping in faux mechanical sounds is wrong. BMW made it's name building wonderful driving machines and since 1975 I have owned (or leased) a dozen of them. They have been the smallest available/manual gear boxes/highest mechanical spec - pure fun in a world of bloated mediocrity.

I see a trend with BMW towards bigger, heavier, and now fake it if it isn't right. What next faux leather smell piped through the vents and seats that tip opposite the turns to make it "feel" like it is cornering harder. Come on BMW, get back to your roots.
You predicted right the new 7 series you can get numerous faux scents piped through the car.
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The good news is bmw active sound design has been depreciated for all but M vehicles. I know my statement could not be anymore vague but it's the best I can provide at the moment since BMW is very tight lipped about Active sound design. It has different depreciation dates on different vehicles. In the BMW 228i active sound design has been depreciated as of 3/2014 production year.

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1112018
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      08-21-2015, 08:10 AM   #72
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I am in the camp that happens to like the ASD in my 228i. The car is really quiet without it. That being said the cars transmission is allot smoother driving around town in Comfort Mode, which is much more quiet. The transmission in Sport is smooth too, but smoothest with spirited driving. I think the idea is a good one. You get to hear the exhaust note without the whole neighborhood having to hear it.
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      08-21-2015, 10:49 AM   #73
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Just to stir it up a bit: in addition to my beloved M235i, I also have the Golf mk7 R (you know - did a horrible mistake 2.5 years ago and bought myself an F10 528xi; after 2 years I split it into the 2 driver's cars and couldn't be happier)...

The Golf is surprisingly even better insulated than the M235i (for instance, the tires noise is practically not present) - but the engine noise is augmented (especially in the Race mode) but a thingy called 'Sound Actuator', and it actually uses the entire windshield as the active 'membrane', instead of the stereo speakers... Now, THAT can be potent! The active sound in my M235i sounds as if it is not there in comparison...
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I test drove the 235 and the fake sound was over the top for me and borderline ruins the car for me. There should be a mode or button to completely turn it off or way to tone it down. I immediately drove a 435 after and it had none of the fake noise. Hell i drove a cayman s today, which is real engine noise right behind you and it seemed quieter than the 235s.
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Just to stir it up a bit: in addition to my beloved M235i, I also have the Golf mk7 R (you know - did a horrible mistake 2.5 years ago and bought myself an F10 528xi; after 2 years I split it into the 2 driver's cars and couldn't be happier)...

The Golf is surprisingly even better insulated than the M235i (for instance, the tires noise is practically not present) - but the engine noise is augmented (especially in the Race mode) but a thingy called 'Sound Actuator', and it actually uses the entire windshield as the active 'membrane', instead of the stereo speakers... Now, THAT can be potent! The active sound in my M235i sounds as if it is not there in comparison...
So you are saying the golf R is louder than the 235? yeesh

Im also looking at the golf R - Since i drove the 235i already and know its strengths , can you share what parts of the golf r you like better?
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No, I couldn't.

And seriously now: they are very different, but none is clearly better than the other in any important aspect. As to the Active Sound: the service can very easily make it quieter (in the scale 100--0), or switch it off completely. The user can only do the latter...
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Oh, and BTW: isn't it also possible in our M235i to at least mitigate (if not turn off completely) the fake sound by coding?
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Oh, and BTW: isn't it also possible in our M235i to at least mitigate (if not turn off completely) the fake sound by coding?
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Where can I find the latest Cheat Sheet, and can I uses E-Sys 3.24.3 on a car build in March 2015? I did some coding on my F10, so hope didn't forgot the basics
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So you are saying the golf R is louder than the 235? yeesh

Im also looking at the golf R - Since i drove the 235i already and know its strengths , can you share what parts of the golf r you like better?
OK, I'm back to try and answer your question. I never asked it to myself, as I bought both cars roughly at the same time so I didn't have the choice problem So far, the R was just a toy for me and a DD for my wife (who only used it on short distances in the city); for my long-distance business trips I always took the beemer. But I realize the R needs some beating from time to time, just to keep it up to the task - so it so happened that just today I gave some RWD driving lessons to my wife so that whenever I feel like traveling for a couple of days in the Golf, she is not left w/o a car for her everyday duties (BTW, I was delighted with how easy it was for her to start driving my M235i).

So - in this situation - it's a relevant question for me to realize which is better for a given task, and why... Well, let me start with a simple statement that both are tremendously fast. But, there is a difference how you can best take advantage of them being fast:

- the Golf R is definitely easier to to drive fast, and thanks to being AWD, arguably safer (that's why it still is going to stay being my wife's DD).

- an average driver like my wife can get more fun entering curves with the R thanks to its neutral characteristics and tons of grip

- a more skilfull driver, especially one with RWD experience like myself, will get much more fun from drifts here and there, or simply power-slide exits from curves the R can enter faster

- the R is supposed to belong with a lower vehicle class than the M235i, but in reality there are touches where it shines as better designed and executed (I can't believe I'm saying this, but you made me asking, and what I'm saying is true). Of course overall, the beemer is a more serious sports car - but:

- the R has more aggressive stance; it's lower and with a wheel at each body corner, it doesn't look like a toy, either
- the R's adaptive suspension has the Comfort setting which is much more comfortable than that of the M235i; similarly its most sporty setting (Racing) is stiffer than the bimmer's Sport mode
- some aspects of the cabin design, materials and workmanship are better in the R (example: my M235i A/C system already stinks, even though I keep it in Auto all the time)
- the R, being "just a Golf" is of course much cheaper (which doesn't mean cheap)

But:

- the M235i has less stressed 3l I6 while the R is a very efficient, but still only 2l I4
- the fuel economy is just a tad better in the M235i
- the infotainment, Navigation Professional and iDrive system is more matured than the basic Navigation system in the Golf R (though there is a Pro version which makes the difference much smaller)

Well - that's all that comes to my mind; probably I've forgotten some important things that would make this comparo more complete - but I tried .
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Where can I find the latest Cheat Sheet, and can I uses E-Sys 3.24.3 on a car build in March 2015? I did some coding on my F10, so hope didn't forgot the basics
F22 coding cheat sheet http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=997749

You will probably need the launcher for '15 reas the first post
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Thanks! What about the '15 launcher - which "first post" you mena?
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Thanks! What about the '15 launcher - which "first post" you mena?
this post http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=997749

What's Needed for coding?

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what did that old guy from willow springs say about the fake sound thingy? OR his he just a shill?
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I for one want to hear the engine. The M235i is so well sound insulated the engine is very muffled so in one sense the engineers did a great job. This is not an out and out race car, it is built to be a dual purpose car. If you want to cruise to work, on the phone, whatever, it can do it with aplomb. If you want to go hard, on track or wherever, it has a great engine, good brakes, 50/50 wght dist, is well balanced and points well. When doing the latter I want to hear the car. If they have to get the sound to you through augmented means, so be it. If you don't like that, buy a race car, or buy a car that is loud all the time, no issue. Buy a lotus and see how that is to live with day to day.
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If they have to get the sound to you through augmented means, so be it. If you don't like that, buy a race car, or buy a car that is loud all the time, no issue. Buy a lotus and see how that is to live with day to day.
By augmented means you mean playing an *.mp3 of the engine through your stereo? One that you can actually change/select via coding?
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