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      05-29-2014, 09:47 AM   #23
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And you base this claim on what?

Here is the Lotus Exige S and 1M times on another track in UK, Top Gear:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ower_Lap_Times

Shockingly Exige S is slower there too. Seemingly just a 0.1 sec but Lotus time is dry while 1M is faster on a damp track which Top Gear suggests to subtract 2 seconds further...means 2.1 seconds difference at the hand of Stig on a short track like Top Gear too.

If you watch the video in this thread again and pay attention to track times of all cars, you will see a few Lotus times there, Evora, Elise and Exige versions. None are faster than the 1M.

Again, what are you basing this claim on, can you share please?
^^ Some people underestimate the 1M and will continue to do so for their own reasons. It's gotten so much negative talk that some people fail to realize how great the car really is.
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      05-29-2014, 09:55 AM   #24
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^^ Some people underestimate the 1M and will continue to do so for their own reasons. It's gotten so much negative talk that some people fail to realize how great the car really is.
Sure, how come a lowly parts bin car can be that performant...isn't it?

Well, obviously many who actually drives or had a real experience with 1M thinks otherwise, which includes very much the pro driver in this video.

Here is a comparo from fastest laps, another 4 track lap times quoted between the two...result is the same (God save us all):

http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/l...r_m_coupe.html
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We all know that it is mostly marketing, but all they did was change from calling it an "is". Now they have a flow to their lineup like the Audi's do. Base, Mnumbered, Full M.
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Sure, how come a lowly parts bin car can be that performant...isn't it?

Well, obviously many who actually drives or had a real experience with 1M thinks otherwise, which includes very much the pro driver in this video.

Here is a comparo from fastest laps, another 4 track lap times quoted between the two...result is the same (God save us all):

http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/l...r_m_coupe.html
Yup the 1M has really good times...They are actually both great cars but like I said the 1M is very underestimated. I've sat in a Lotus Exige and it was the most uncomfortable ride I have ever experienced. Even on a track day damn that would be torture for a few hours. But its all about preference I suppose.
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We all know that it is mostly marketing, but all they did was change from calling it an "is". Now they have a flow to their lineup like the Audi's do. Base, Mnumbered, Full M.
In fact, there is nothing wrong really with the time or overall performance of the M235i. It is just fine. I had a good test drive with one and it is as fast as the 1M if with 8 speed auto and PSS equipped. 1M still feels a tiny bit stronger maybe but most people would not feel a noticeable difference and prefer easy-to-go-fast character of the M235i.

There is a mis-marketing which plagues an otherwise a very fine overall package of the M235i, it is not engineered to be a track weapon and people tend to forget that. The driver here praises the car yet some gets frustrated because it is 2 sec. slower than a 1M or a TT RS! If all we need is bragging rights than those will need to wait a M2 to fix the order in the universe.
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We all know that it is mostly marketing, but all they did was change from calling it an "is". Now they have a flow to their lineup like the Audi's do. Base, Mnumbered, Full M.
In fact, there is nothing wrong really with the time or overall performance of the M235i. It is just fine. I had a good test drive with one and it is as fast as the 1M if with 8 speed auto and PSS equipped. 1M still feels a tiny bit stronger maybe but most people would not feel a noticeable difference and prefer easy-to-go-fast character of the M235i.

There is a mis-marketing which plagues an otherwise a very fine overall package of the M235i, it is not engineered to be a track weapon and people tend to forget that. The driver here praises the car yet some gets frustrated because it is 2 sec. slower than a 1M or a TT RS! If all we need is bragging rights than those will need to wait a M2 to fix the order in the universe.
Well said..also the 235 is cheaper and personally it looks better than the 1M (again IMHO). Ppl dont buy cars cuz of some random track times
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In fact, there is nothing wrong really with the time or overall performance of the M235i. It is just fine. I had a good test drive with one and it is as fast as the 1M if with 8 speed auto and PSS equipped. 1M still feels a tiny bit stronger maybe but most people would not feel a noticeable difference and prefer easy-to-go-fast character of the M235i.

There is a mis-marketing which plagues an otherwise a very fine overall package of the M235i, it is not engineered to be a track weapon and people tend to forget that. The driver here praises the car yet some gets frustrated because it is 2 sec. slower than a 1M or a TT RS! If all we need is bragging rights than those will need to wait a M2 to fix the order in the universe.
Off topic a little but how miles on your 1M?
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Off topic a little but how miles on your 1M?
Around 10K miles, trying to keep it for fun times mostly and I have a short commute between work and home. Still got a few long journeys and road trips, some with family (wife, 2 kids) too. It is up to everything.
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Well said..also the 235 is cheaper and personally it looks better than the 1M (again IMHO). Ppl dont buy cars cuz of some random track times
It looks elegant in person especially with a right color (I loved the Melbourne Red) but less aggressive stance than the 1M. Money would be well spent if an owner would spend as much as possible for the rear though, anything cf from M Performance catalog! Looks are personal choice like you said. Bang for buck I think it doesn't have competition.
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This car has NO LSD. The claims BMW marketing made were with LSD. It also looked like the car had run-flats (ugh). What a waste of a review.
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Good driver-bad hair-irrelevant journalist-honest review. Thanks for posting the video.

Small BMWs (that rock) on that track and some of their best competition:

1M: 1:24,81
M235i: 1:26,93
M135i: 1:27,87
135i: 1:28,50

Audi TT RS: 1:24,80
Lotus Exige S: 1:25,20
BMW (2009) M3: 1:25,50
Mercedes A45 AMG: 1:25,67
Renault Megane RS Trophy: 1:27,45
No way an Exige S is 0.5 sec a lap slower than a 1M...
Ditto.
Guys lotus no power....
No weight, either.
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It also looked like the car had run-flats (ugh).
how can you tell?
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how can you tell?
...can't really tell for sure but run-flats have harder edges which look more squared off to me. I probably should have said nothing after looking at it again. No way to really tell for sure from the video. But still, why test a car and compare it to others when it doesn't have all the performance options anyone who would track this car would add. It's not like the LSD is aftermarket, it is an option you order just like ordering non-runflat tires. That's why when others compared it to the 1M the M235 was equipped with LSD. Understanding the LSD's for the true M and non-M cars are different. It is still more of an apples to apples comparison at that point.
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As great of a car this is, I'm thinking a 335i/435i with the factory M Performance power kit can give it a run for it's money...
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In fact, there is nothing wrong really with the time or overall performance of the M235i. It is just fine. I had a good test drive with one and it is as fast as the 1M if with 8 speed auto and PSS equipped. 1M still feels a tiny bit stronger maybe but most people would not feel a noticeable difference and prefer easy-to-go-fast character of the M235i.

There is a mis-marketing which plagues an otherwise a very fine overall package of the M235i, it is not engineered to be a track weapon and people tend to forget that. The driver here praises the car yet some gets frustrated because it is 2 sec. slower than a 1M or a TT RS! If all we need is bragging rights than those will need to wait a M2 to fix the order in the universe.
Ditto Oz. While I was driving the car I felt that things like the iDrive's rpm and torque read outs were a bit superfluous and distracting but the "feel" was pretty good although to my tastes it lacks the raw character of the 1M or even the M3--and as you rightfully observe, it is not a track weapon like those models.

I also test drove an Elise SC and rode around the track in an Exige. I have a love/hate thing with that marque.

Anyway, here's the same driver testing the 1M. Look at his face at 1:20 and compare it to how apathetic he is after getting out of the M235.

[u2b]http://youtu.be/S7NhgCpMoGI[/u2b]
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...can't really tell for sure but run-flats have harder edges which look more squared off to me. I probably should have said nothing after looking at it again. No way to really tell for sure from the video. But still, why test a car and compare it to others when it doesn't have all the performance options anyone who would track this car would add. It's not like the LSD is aftermarket, it is an option you order just like ordering non-runflat tires. That's why when others compared it to the 1M the M235 was equipped with LSD. Understanding the LSD's for the true M and non-M cars are different. It is still more of an apples to apples comparison at that point.
It's a press car. If you're going to blame someone, blame BMW. Also, as you pointed out, you can't really tell in the video whether it has run-flats, and the LSD isn't an option. I'm glad we've seen reviews with and without. I wouldn't call it an "option" because doesn't appear in the BYO configurator. M Performance parts aren't much different than, for example, the Ford Racing catalog. They're not factory installed options; they're first-party aftermarket.

It seems to me that a lot of people are just upset at the lap time, but keep in mind that this is one result with one car. Deon noted several times that he was holding a lower gear. Maybe that wasn't the best strategy? Maybe he wasn't over driving the chassis, which may have resulted in a better time. I still don't think any of those things are negative. This was a good representation of the M235i being driven the way it was engineered to drive. Sure, it might be possible to squeeze a little more out of the car, but that might also mean driving the tires off of it; which no one is going to do.

He praised the car for its strengths, which are a sporty (not track-ready) chassis and a great engine. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being 2 seconds off a car like the 1M when you look at the total package.
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That's a mediocre time at Killarney. I really had high expectations for this car. Thought it would as fast, if not faster than the Audi TT RS.
The TT RS is a beast though, it has more power and weighs less than the 235.
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