[sgrinavi]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

You can't add both, it's either track pack or tech pack. So max of 7500 in options.

I saw that this morning. A little disappointing, do you know why?

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

I think its a hell of a competitor and honestly lilely has a lot to offer at a potentially lower price point.

It's a tough comparison when one car offers magnetic shocks and a 5.2L flat plane crank v8 making 520+ hp and the other car offers no magnetic ride and a 365 hp n55. I'm not even convinced the m2 will be much lighter

It's a big offering from ford and I hope Bmw is smart with their pricing. Anything over 50k for a car without cf roof, special engine, etc is a tough sell

It does have a lot to offer and looks great on paper. Probably going to be the bargain of the decade at MSRP - If I could afford to have one sit in the garage to use at the track I'd be really excited about it. I just don't want to drive one every day.

[abp689]

IDK: right now it seems like a legit option. It's great to have some alternatives if the M2 MRSP stings out of the gate.

[OrangeCrush]

I don't think MSRP will be much over 50k.

[abp689]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

I don't think MSRP will be much over 50k.

Yeah, hope not.

Just reviewing the gt350 on the mustang g6 forum. Assuming dealers aren't going to gross up the MSRP, $47k is purchasing a lot of serious tech. I just really need 2 useable back seats.

[duk]

I bet base price will be mid 50k, it has to slot tad above 440i

[dmboone25]

You're basically getting 1/2 the M3 goodies with the M2 - from the belt line down, they are going to be very similar (suspension, chassis set up, brakes, exhaust, wheels/tire width) - but not all the goodies (no S55, no hood bulge, no CF roof, less use of CF all around, less standard equipment, less options to tick, etc.)

As a result, the car will be right between a 235 (44K) and the M3/4 (62-64k).

Aka, it's going to be 53ish...if they follow the 1M formula, and it appears they will (one interior color option, only 4 exterior paint colors), then I bet you will have a few options to tick and not much else:

DCT
Navi
Heated Seats
Comfort Access
HK Radio

That's it - at least in my opinion. Will that approach 60K if you check all options? Well, yes. And the 1M approached 55K with all options checked as well. Seems to make a lot of sense in my mind.

[Artemis]

Just assume for now that M2 MSRP will be $60K (US).

That may be the right approach for making you feel happier once the 50-something price is announced this Summer.

[BMWCAT]

put in perspective though, M3/M4 for some reason the pricing is VERY aggressive, (for example, my M3 residual is 65% and I'm able to haggle down to 500 over invoice while MF stays at the base rate)
For a stripper with manual trans it will be pushing close to M2 price... Not to mention M3 for sure have more options standard... I'm still very, looking forward for M2, but just hope BMW be smart with the pricing

[TunedM2C]

Originally Posted by abp689

Yeah, hope not.

Just reviewing the gt350 on the mustang g6 forum. Assuming dealers aren't going to gross up the MSRP, $47k is purchasing a lot of serious tech. I just really need 2 useable back seats.

You get rear seats with the GT350. It's the GT350R that deletes them.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by W///

Listen, if you guys spec an M2 to mid 60's, that's your own damn fault. No one is putting a gun to your head and saying you should tick every single option possible. And if you want those options, pay for it and shut up. That's how the Germans have played the game for decades, nothing new here.

For me personally, it's no different than buying an M3/4. At mid 60's, the M3 makes perfect sense to me. At $90k, the car makes 0 sense. Same with the M2. At low 50's, brilliant choice. At say $65k, not so much.

well said.

I just want the performance. zero options. maybe dct this but. I've learned my lesson with the e90m3. don't care about the options. make it as light as possible upgrade the suspension brakes and tires and drive the crap out of it.

I'm always screaming wth would you buy an m3 for 80k? some people have 100k builds? ! WTF.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by socal TW

well said.

I just want the performance. zero options. maybe dct this but. I've learned my lesson with the e90m3. don't care about the options. make it as light as possible upgrade the suspension brakes and tires and drive the crap out of it.

I'm always screaming wth would you buy an m3 for 80k? some people have 100k builds? ! WTF.

Curious, did you feel that you checked a lot of options for your e90 M3 that you ended up not caring about/not using?

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Curious, did you feel that you checked a lot of options for your e90 M3 that you ended up not caring about/not using?

I find them useless, or that I can live without them now. Except comfort access.

But my car is 3650 pounds! Prob 100-200 pounds overweight.

[phoenixbmwlife]

I think the reason for the underwhelming HP figures is all part of the entire package BMW is planning to offer. An entry level affordable M car with superb handling with fun and joy at its core. More HP would make the performance too close to its close cousin the M4.
BMW wants this to be the choice in its segment therefore the ATSV should not even be discussed here. And not just because of performance but since it's an entry level high performance vehicle, they want it affordable similar to how the M235i is in its own segment. Sorry for the long pontification but everything I've said it's probably true just cause I've said it. LOL

$60,000 MSRP no way.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

You're basically getting 1/2 the M3 goodies with the M2 - from the belt line down, they are going to be very similar (suspension, chassis set up, brakes, exhaust, wheels/tire width) - but not all the goodies (no S55, no hood bulge, no CF roof, less use of CF all around, less standard equipment, less options to tick, etc.)

As a result, the car will be right between a 235 (44K) and the M3/4 (62-64k).

Aka, it's going to be 53ish...if they follow the 1M formula, and it appears they will (one interior color option, only 4 exterior paint colors), then I bet you will have a few options to tick and not much else:

DCT
Navi
Heated Seats
Comfort Access
HK Radio

That's it - at least in my opinion. Will that approach 60K if you check all options? Well, yes. And the 1M approached 55K with all options checked as well. Seems to make a lot of sense in my mind.

+1

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by tccox

Yep the Mustang is 14 inches longer than my 228. Mustang would not even fit in my garage

Exactly. It's the size of an F80. Huge.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by synergist

Well, it was just leaked that the GT350 will start at $47K and that's for 500hp... please BMW, don't price the M2 higher than 51-53K or I believe many will transition to the American competition. I would have to consider it even though I don't want to, but at that bargain it's hard to overlook.

Go ahead and waste your money on a mustang

A 2012 Boss 302 sold for the same prices as the 1M at around 46k and now can be had for about 32k vs about 50K for the 1M.

sounds like that mustang is a poor value. Then consider the fact that it has a crappy transmission.. Have they got it fixed yet ? They had problems from 2010 to 2013 at least.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Exactly. It's the size of an F80. Huge.

Yes indeed.

You may have to change your name to...

M2 Adjuster .

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Go ahead and waste your money on a mustang

A 2012 Boss 302 sold for the same prices as the 1M at around 46k and now can be had for about 32k vs about 50K for the 1M.

sounds like that mustang is a poor value. Then consider the fact that it has a crappy transmission.. Have they got it fixed yet ? They had problems from 2010 to 2013 at least.

Pretty intolerant to other people's opinions and perspectives.

I also persobally don't agree. The 1m and boss are different beasts than the m2 and gt350

The 1m was a single year model with limited production, hence the great resale. It's also a great car.

The boss was none of those things, and still had a solid rear axle, had a standard 5.0 motor with some modifications, didn't have the modified track widths and suspension enhancements of the gt350. It's a much more complete, special and well designed car from all indications. The 5.2 flat plane motor for example

Regardless, both are sure to be great rides. Being dismissive of the gt350 and the OP perspective is pretty poor form

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

Yes indeed.

You may have to change your name to...

M2 Adjuster .

lol

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

You're basically getting 1/2 the M3 goodies with the M2 - from the belt line down, they are going to be very similar (suspension, chassis set up, brakes, exhaust, wheels/tire width) - but not all the goodies (no S55, no hood bulge, no CF roof, less use of CF all around, less standard equipment, less options to tick, etc.)

As a result, the car will be right between a 235 (44K) and the M3/4 (62-64k).

Aka, it's going to be 53ish...if they follow the 1M formula, and it appears they will (one interior color option, only 4 exterior paint colors), then I bet you will have a few options to tick and not much else:

DCT
Navi
Heated Seats
Comfort Access
HK Radio

That's it - at least in my opinion. Will that approach 60K if you check all options? Well, yes. And the 1M approached 55K with all options checked as well. Seems to make a lot of sense in my mind.

I agree with you on pricing.

I am anticipating a range from 52k to about 59k for the M2.


The 1m ran to 55k and the e9x at the time started at 56k sedan and 59k coupe.

[filet.M2c]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

Pretty intolerant to other people's opinions and perspectives.

I also persobally don't agree. The 1m and boss are different beasts than the m2 and gt350

The 1m was a single year model with limited production, hence the great resale. It's also a great car.

The boss was none of those things, and still had a solid rear axle, had a standard 5.0 motor with some modifications, didn't have the modified track widths and suspension enhancements of the gt350. It's a much more complete, special and well designed car from all indications. The 5.2 flat plane motor for example

Regardless, both are sure to be great rides. Being dismissive of the gt350 and the OP perspective is pretty poor form

+1 Exactly. Any car that has a fan base and is extremely limited will always hold its value. The 1M is a fantastic car, but that is not the reason why they hold their value. If they built 3k+ 1Ms for a few years the value retention would be far less. Don't get me wrong. I would much rather have an M2 than a GT350, but BMW needs to evaluate the market and price their car accordingly.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I agree with you on pricing.

I am anticipating a range from 52k to about 59k for the M2.


The 1m ran to 55k and the e9x at the time started at 56k sedan and 59k coupe.

Agreed - I think there will be slightly more in terms of options when compared to the 1M, but not much. That fact alone should keep a fully optioned car at no more than 60.

So....

Stripper model - 53K
Girl next door model - 56K
Plus sized model - 60K