[B///MW]

Originally Posted by G-Mann

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I suspect a well optioned one will be at/over 60k.

Might be worth it! Whatever the M2 sells for, a well optioned M4 could likely be $15k more.

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by DVC

Edit... I wonder if universal garage door openers can be retrofitted. Hmmmm...

I think these are the people who make a lot of the garage door openers mounted on the rear view mirror. My guess is you can.
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[Denk]

The way BMW has bundled options lately, I'm expecting to pay $60k minimum to get just a couple of things I really want. I'll be shocked if they break options down like they did for the e9x.

[Lucky13]

My last M3 an E46 purchased new in 2004 was $57K without Nav so a fairly loaded M2 at $60K isn't unrealistic. I still think around $54K base price.

[fuddman]

I think they're going to build two model M2s simultaneously.
The (for lack of a better term) "vanilla" model, IMO, will have a base of 55k and will offer the usual options to select from.
The second car, built, exclusively, for the 100 year celebration, is going to be a CSL variant. My guess is it will be wrapped in a lot of carbon fiber stuff and, so, will start at, around, 85k.

[tbc417]

Originally Posted by fuddman

I think they're going to build two model M2s simultaneously.
The (for lack of a better term) "vanilla" model, IMO, will have a base of 55k and will offer the usual options to select from.
The second car, built, exclusively, for the 100 year celebration, is going to be a CSL variant. My guess is it will be wrapped in a lot of carbon fiber stuff and, so, will start at, around, 85k.

Feel like your right about this

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Lucky13

My last M3 an E46 purchased new in 2004 was $57K without Nav so a fairly loaded M2 at $60K isn't unrealistic. I still think around $54K base price.

Yup, think you are spot on with pricing. 1M was about a 25% increase over a 135i, so that would put the M2 right at $54k.

[BMW F22]

Originally Posted by Lucky13

My last M3 an E46 purchased new in 2004 was $57K without Nav so a fairly loaded M2 at $60K isn't unrealistic. I still think around $54K base price.

Yeah I agree with this. I based off of 228i instead since the M235i is probably closer to an M2 than a 235i would be if they made one. So going off the price difference between an M3 and 328i, I think I guestimated something like $53,255 (rough number that could be rounded down or up).

[tdizzle]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Based on the news so far there may not be such a thing as "well optioned".

That's probably the only way to keep the price low.

I presume if the same amenities are available as the M3/4 or even the 3/4 series, the price 'well optioned' will creep around $60k. Fully, probably right at the starting price of the M3.

What is the top spec of the m235? $55kish? I'd expect with dct and similar options that the m2 hit $60k (at least) which puts it in a weird place given you can grab a M3 for not much more.

Heck, you can grab a C7 vette with good options for that price. I think I loaded one to where i'd want it (well optioned but not ridiculous) for around $66k with supplier pricing. And we know you can get them a bit cheaper than that.

[hyperzulu]

Originally Posted by tdizzle

That's probably the only way to keep the price low.

I presume if the same amenities are available as the M3/4 or even the 3/4 series, the price 'well optioned' will creep around $60k. Fully, probably right at the starting price of the M3.

What is the top spec of the m235? $55kish? I'd expect with dct and similar options that the m2 hit $60k (at least) which puts it in a weird place given you can grab a M3 for not much more.

Heck, you can grab a C7 vette with good options for that price. I think I loaded one to where i'd want it (well optioned but not ridiculous) for around $66k with supplier pricing. And we know you can get them a bit cheaper than that.

I would guess for most, none of those cars would be considered a "small sports coupe with a useable rear seat." One is not a coupe, the other has no rear seat. BMW doesn't plan to sell a butt load of these. The 2 series market is very niche, the 2 series M market is going to be even more so. For enough people this will be their ideal car at this price range.

[e85sbm]

back on topic from what the OP has stated - if the ONLY criteria for making a purchase decision is PRICE, then the Cadillac is always going to win as they are always cheaper than their BMW counterparts.

BUT, when you compare a mid-sized coupe to a compact coupe there are always going to be difference. The ATS-V is trying to compete with the M3/M4, but won't be able to compare in a number of areas - resale, handling, steering feel and overall cost of ownership.

[vantagesc]

Seeing the way this is going with the single interior color and limited exterior colors, I do not think the M2 will be available with more amenities than an M235i. I know some people are hoping for 3/4-series level options, but why would BMW do that if they aren't even giving us a choice of interior colors?

[David1]

Originally Posted by vantagesc

Seeing the way this is going with the single interior color and limited exterior colors, I do not think the M2 will be available with more amenities than an M235i. I know some people are hoping for 3/4-series level options, but why would BMW do that if they aren't even giving us a choice of interior colors?

It will be available with the same amenities. The M2 shares BMW's new car architecture and electronics so you should be able to load it up. Also keep in mind that basic navigation will be standard as it now is for all BMW's after start of August/July model production. The full size screen will be optional.

[vantagesc]

Originally Posted by David1

It will be available with the same amenities. The M2 shares BMW's new car architecture and electronics so you should be able to load it up. Also keep in mind that basic navigation will be standard as it now is for all BMW's after start of August/July model production. The full size screen will be optional.

In your view, what would we be able to order on the M2 that's not available on other 2-series?

[David1]

I am hoping for some better audio and alacantera bits

[aceking4u]

I hope it starts at $51K Before options, because if it starts at $54-55K, that's about $20K more than a Golf R. If you're in California or New York and you factor in sales tax, that's at least $22K more.

Now I know they don't directly compete with one another, but man, that extra $22K will be great for Mods.

Then again, I would imagine most people would lease. So the difference might be a $500 lease vs a $750 (Golf R vs M2)

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Lucky13

My last M3 an E46 purchased new in 2004 was $57K without Nav so a fairly loaded M2 at $60K isn't unrealistic. I still think around $54K base price.

This was why the 1m was such an amazing bargain.

7 years later in 2010, Similar performance, similar sizing and Loaded models only went up to 54k.

[stuckinoc]

Not noticing much price comparison with the 1M which had a MSRP of $47k. Wouldn't that be more in line with what we could expect? I cant imagine what more would be put into the M2 above what was in 1M that would push M2 MSRP to $60k.

[Lucky13]

If the M2 was $47K they would sell out the first year production in one day. With the M235 close to $45K base the bar is set for pricing. Just the LSD and 19" wheels probably add $3-4K. The 1M was artificially low and since they only sold a little over 700 in the U.S. I don't think you can use that pricing for any benchmark. I would literally run to my dealer with a bag of cash if it were $47K.

[sstarrx3]

Originally Posted by e85sbm

back on topic from what the OP has stated - if the ONLY criteria for making a purchase decision is PRICE, then the Cadillac is always going to win as they are always cheaper than their BMW counterparts.

BUT, when you compare a mid-sized coupe to a compact coupe there are always going to be difference. The ATS-V is trying to compete with the M3/M4, but won't be able to compare in a number of areas - resale, handling, steering feel and overall cost of ownership.

Ok...resale you are spot on. I have never driven either the M cars or the Cadillacs so anything I say is based on reading and watching reviews. I agree the M2 will probably be superior in handling and steering to the Cadillac and M3/M4 Overall cost of ownership I disagree. As far as the M3/M4 I imagine they will get a slight edge on handling and steering due to less weight...but from every review I have read the Cadillacs handle well and have great steering for non hydrolic steering that is. I like the BMW styling more on the exterior anyway. Performance wise it will be damn close. Really would like to see how close the numbers would be on the Ring using the same driver. Bet its really close.

[MTHRAR]

I'm really hoping for a starting MSRP of $53k or lower. I was originally hoping it would start at something like $49,995, but I have serious doubts about that at this point in time. If it starts at anything over than $53k, I will start seriously looking at other options. The only thing I really want on my M2 is adaptive suspension/upgraded wheels and HK sound. Those options would bring me to about $55-$56k and that is probably the MAX I'd be willing to spend and that's pushing it for me.

[filet.M2c]

Well, it was just leaked that the GT350 will start at $47K and that's for 500hp... please BMW, don't price the M2 higher than 51-53K or I believe many will transition to the American competition. I would have to consider it even though I don't want to, but at that bargain it's hard to overlook.