[UpNcOmINg!]

N54 + Turbo-back Akra = LOVE!!!

[Oaktree]

What's that other BMW at 1:00. Looks like its pulling away from the M2 and it sounds pretty damn good for a non-M car. New 5 series?

[M3 Number 86]

M2 looks great though - even it won't be much nimbler than the m4 due to the weight, I will find it easier to place just because it is smaller.

Also I will love the fact that the interior is compact and tight.

The only thing that worries me is turbo lag. It has all the M4 essentials but it doesn't have the "let's try to get rid of as much turbo lag as possible" technology - am I correct? Even with it the lag is there - it will definitely be there without it. That would just suck.

If this car is as fast as an e9x m3 on track it is totally worth it - tune and it will be pretty damn fast. I can't keep up with my buddy's 135i with a tune on the straights in my e9x m3.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by socal TW

M2 looks great though - even it won't be much nimbler than the m4 due to the weight, I will find it easier to place just because it is smaller.

Also I will love the fact that the interior is compact and tight.

The only thing that worries me is turbo lag. It has all the M4 essentials but it doesn't have the "let's try to get rid of as much turbo lag as possible" technology - am I correct? Even with it the lag is there - it will definitely be there without it. That would just suck.

If this car is as fast as an e9x m3 on track it is totally worth it - tune and it will be pretty damn fast. I can't keep up with my buddy's 135i with a tune on the straights in my e9x m3.

The 1M already is " as fast as an e9x " on track.

Surprised all that " turbo lag" doesn't have you blowing by that 135 .. Oh wait...

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

The 1M already is " as fast as an e9x " on track.

Surprised all that " turbo lag" doesn't have you blowing by that 135 .. Oh wait...

Why so offended?

On a roval track the 1M was not that fast. Well it's probably a drivers race but on the front straight I was lifting so I wouldn't crash into it.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by socal TW

Why so offended?

On a roval track the 1M was not that fast. Well it's probably a drivers race but on the front straight I was lifting so I wouldn't crash into it.

Not offended at all!

FYI a 135 with a tune has the same power as the 1m... ( the 1M has better suspension and the same exact diff as the E90)..
so..... yes.. it sounds like your driver's race with a 1M would be just that.

Lap times for both cars are available if you look around... note that the 1M on a damp track was quicker than E90 in dry here..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ower_Lap_Times

As always.. different courses will show different strengths...
Back to the M2... YES.. it will be quicker than the 1M and E9x M3... I haven't seen a generation change with a new model M3/M4 SLOWER yet. Heavier and less nimble.. but always more power and usually better handling and faster overall.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Not offended at all!

FYI a 135 with a tune has the same power as the 1m... (and better suspension... the same exact diff as the E90)..
so..... yes.. it sounds like your driver's race with a 1M would be just that.

Lap times for both cars are available if you look around... note that the 1M on a damp track was quicker than E90 in dry here..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ower_Lap_Times

As always.. different courses will show different strengths...
Back to the M2... YES.. it will be quicker than the 1M and E9x M3... I haven't seen a generation change with a new model M3/M4 SLOWER yet. Heavier and less nimble.. but always more power and usually better handling and faster overall.

Let me clarify - my friend's 135i is 500hp with meth injection and that's why I can't keep up

with...upgraded turbos, kw clubsport suspension, etc.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by socal TW

Let me clarify - my friend's 135i is 500hp with meth injection and that's why I can't keep up

with...upgraded turbos, kw clubsport suspension, etc.

That ain't no 135i. That's an airplane.

[SickFinga]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I believe it's 13 inches from the E30 M3 and the 1M to the M4... and HELL YES that makes it like a truck... or at least an M5

Do we need to really drive the point home and develop a list of ACTUAL trucks that are close in length to the F80 , which is 184 inches in length ?

http://www.ford.com/crossovers/trans...ions/exterior/

2015 Ford Transit Connect Short wheelbase 173 " and the Long Wheelbase model is 189 inches ... TRUCK indeed!

2015 Toyota Four Runner - 190 inches

Luckily for you... All the North Amerrican Manufacturers have stopped making the Ranger .. the Chevrolet Colorado only comes in Four Door guise.. as does the Toyota Tacoma.... as 2 door versions of these would clearly be shorter than an F80

This is such a silly comment. First of all, trucks are not determined by the length. Trucks come in all kinds of sizes. Second, that Transit is a compact van that is based on the Ford Focus. So why don't you compare E30 M3 to the 90s 4Runner and Escort van?

E30 M3 - 171"
Escort van - 164.6"
N60 4Runner - 174.6"

Following your logic, E30 M3 is also a truck. But lets dig even further. Japan builds Kei trucks which are now limited to 134". Back in the E30 M3 days, they were even smaller. Honda Acty was less than 130" long. Guess that makes an E30 M3 a monster truck in Japan.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by Artemis

That ain't no 135i. That's an airplane.

Seriously it sounds like one too! I'm still faster Will!! @bmw0bsession

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by SickFinga

This is such a silly comment. First of all, trucks are not determined by the length. Trucks come in all kinds of sizes. Second, that Transit is a compact van that is based on the Ford Focus. So why don't you compare E30 M3 to the 90s 4Runner and Escort van?

E30 M3 - 171"
Escort van - 164.6"
N60 4Runner - 174.6"

Following your logic, E30 M3 is also a truck. But lets dig even further. Japan builds Kei trucks which are now limited to 134". Back in the E30 M3 days, they were even smaller. Honda Acty was less than 130" long. Guess that makes an E30 M3 a monster truck in Japan.

thanks for using the way back machine.
It wasn't really needed because we aren't really referring to 90s vehicle other than to illustrate how the M3 has grown over time.

For reference, my 1M is the exact same length as the ORIGINAL M3 , The vehicle that started this all. Unfortunately the M3 has plumped up from a boy racer sedan to a what is now a 90s M5. For sure its refined, but it's chubbier and much longer and indeed far less nimble.


Size is indeed relative ! And that is exactly my point. The M3/m4 are truck sized **when compared to e30/e82 as well as the M2 **. ( dimensions not yet released).

Thanks for agreeing!


Many of us want a vehicle that is the size of the original M3. I don't need an extra 14" of vehicle in my garage, on track, or when changing lanes in my commute. Not sure why this is hard to comprehend for some..

The current M3 and M4 are awesome vehicles but are nowhere near the same vehicle as the original. The 1M recaptured some of the spirit of the E30M3 and it looks like the M2 is a great successor to the 1M.

Now ... If only BMW would give us an e36m3 sized sedan in the form of an M2 GRAN COUPE..

[VMRWheels]

Oooh, exciting!

[bplewis24]

Originally Posted by chris719

Looks are subjective, but if you did a poll of the general population you would probably find that the 1 series is not considered a great looking car and looks worse than the 2.

I don't own either, and I find the 2 clearly better looking. Neither one is remarkable though.

The 1M is ugly as hell. No matter how badly I wanted one, I was always able to acknowledge how ugly it was. The M2 is leagues better looking. Full stop.

[__saullizano]

Possible unnoticed M7/M770i testing in front of the M2

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by __saullizano

Possible unnoticed M7/M770i testing in front of the M2

Oh, it was noticed. The higher pitched sound was duly noted.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Not offended at all!

FYI a 135 with a tune has the same power as the 1m...

Even on JUST a tune, most tunes anyway, a 135 will make a good bit more power than a stock 1M. ~400 bhp for an N54, and ~380 bhp for an N55.

Doesn't take more than a tune/intake, or tune/dp to keep up with a stock E90 M3...not that I wouldn't rather have the S65, or the 1M for that matter.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by bplewis24

The 1M is ugly as hell. No matter how badly I wanted one, I was always able to acknowledge how ugly it was. The M2 is leagues better looking. Full stop.

While I won't say a 1 series is anything but odd looking, am I the only one who finds the 2 series almost too bland? At least the 1er is...ummm..."interesting".

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by bplewis24

The 1M is ugly as hell. No matter how badly I wanted one, I was always able to acknowledge how ugly it was. The M2 is leagues better looking. Full stop.

to me the 1M is the best looking BMW since the E30 M3. full stop. the best cars throughout history have unique, bold, and risky designs. The 1M fits this mold. There are very few cars in the road that have as much presence as the 1M does.

I'm not just saying this as an owner....but as someone who lusted after one for a few years prior to getting one. Whenever I saw one before that, I was in awe of the way it looked....I still feel that way every time I walk into the garage.

If you think a standard 3-series is great looking then you probably won't understand...but if you really appreciate interesting design like the 2002 Turbo then you will probably get it.

The M2 looks like it will be a waaaaay better looking car than the frankly weak looking 235...but I'm not sure it will have the aggression and madness of the 1M; we will see!!

[stuckinoc]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

While I won't say a 1 series is anything but odd looking, am I the only one who finds the 2 series almost too bland? At least the 1er is...ummm..."interesting".

I was just thinking the same thing. M2 just looks like a bloated 235 series and boring IMO. The wide wheel wells on the M2 just are not exciting enough. I'm hoping they are still working on the wheel well flare design and can put some more distinct design into the wide body look. Honestly, just slap on the wheel well panels from the 1M and done!

[hyperzulu]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

to me the 1M is the best looking BMW since the E30 M3. full stop. the best cars throughout history have unique, bold, and risky designs. The 1M fits this mold. There are very few cars in the road that have as much presence as the 1M does.

The new CSL homage fits the mold, but plenty of people seem to think that looks like shite. Being able to stick an adjective at something does not mean that what manifests is great by any means. Furthermore, it still looks like a modern BMW, so it's not all that bold, unique or risky. To qualify, one would have to see one drive by and say, "oooh, what is that!?"

I like the 1M. I think it's a good looking car, but how many pages of bullcrap are you guys going to spew over the looks of the 1M? It's based on the e82, which is a frumpy looking car, at best. The 1M is an ugly chick with an amazing makeover.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by hyperzulu

The new CSL homage fits the mold, but plenty of people seem to think that looks like shite. Being able to stick an adjective at something does not mean that what manifests is great by any means. Furthermore, it still looks like a modern BMW, so it's not all that bold, unique or risky. To qualify, one would have to see one drive by and say, "oooh, what is that!?"

I like the 1M. I think it's a good looking car, but how many pages of bullcrap are you guys going to spew over the looks of the 1M? It's based on the e82, which is a frumpy looking car, at best. The 1M is an ugly chick with an amazing makeover.

Here Here to that last paragraph. The 1M hysterical hype is a bit much. It IS a great car but not the second coming of Christ or the wheel re invented!

[MrCsquared]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

yes, I have heard it in real life. A neighbor has one. And he himself doesn't like it, and likes his e46 M3's and his friend's e92 exhaust better. It doesn't sound all that good compared to them.
Also, you just admitted that you were worried. And after you drove it you convinced yourself it wasn't what all those videos had portrayed it. Well, the reality is, it is what all the videos portrayed it. Because all those vids sounded basically the same. Even the latest vid of those 40+ M cars at the track clearly show that the sound of the current M3/M4 is wanting. And BMW knows this, that is part of the reason why they have "Active Sound".

BMW has it's work cut out for it when it comes to the turbo cars and exhaust sound. If you look at what AMG has done for the 4.0 TT V8, you can clearly see that they have put some thought, time and serious effort for a glorious sound. One can only wonder what they will do to Mercedes I6s when they come online.

Thanks, but no, I didn't convince myself. I don't need to lie to convince myself of a purchase lol.

To each his own? That's okay right? Not every person who likes it is compensating lol.

ANYWAYS, can't wait to hear this M2 in person!