[CLUBBER]

Just received an insider info. BMW is planning to build 8000 M2's in the first year ! It seems it won't be as exclusive as the 1MC. Which is not a bad thing tbh as they will price it lower hopefully.

[david.orr]

Originally Posted by redux

The "MEH" BMW's lineup is overwhelming:

- i8 (driven it..... meh)
- i3 (my wife's car..... meh)
- M3/M4 (driven it, the m3 is pretty but too big..... meh)
- M4 GTS (looks retarded, Porsche price tag..... meh)
- M5 (driven it..... MEH!)
- M6 Grand Coupe (had one for a few months.... Surprisingly likable)


The M2 is already getting the "Meh" in the styling department. Hopefully it's chassis is a stunner, otherwise the deposit stays on the Focus RS

Definitely not hating but merely noting that this view reflects a number of 1M owners.... that after owning/driving the 1M, most other Ms are not the real deal, for varied reasons including size, rawness etc etc. M is M and represents the best M division would offer in each production timeline. We should not discount any M car, especially when one hasn't been launched nor driven.

[Srac]

Originally Posted by CLUBBER

Just received an insider info. BMW is planning to build 8000 M2's in the first year ! It seems it won't be as exclusive as the 1MC. Which is not a bad thing tbh as they will price it lower hopefully.

Nope.

[Nahlem]

Originally Posted by CLUBBER

Just received an insider info. BMW is planning to build 8000 M2's in the first year ! It seems it won't be as exclusive as the 1MC. Which is not a bad thing tbh as they will price it lower hopefully.

Haha that's interesting actually that would mean 8000 cars the first year split that between 12 months that's 666 M2s a month sounds not so plausible maybe 8000 during its life time say a life time of 7-8 years that's more reasonable that would be something like 83 M2s a month.

[CLUBBER]

Originally Posted by Alden_88M

Haha that's interesting actually that would mean 8000 cars the first year split that between 12 months that's 666 M2s a month sounds not so plausible maybe 8000 during its life time say a life time of 7-8 years that's more reasonable that would be something like 83 M2s a month.

That's what I was hoping too but they told me 8000 units for 2016. Maybe they will produce it only for a year or until the next 2 series are launched which is another 3-4 years ? I feel M2 will have similar production numbers to M3/4.

As I said again, this is good news, we will have more new later used ones to choose from and may make it more affordable. 1MC was a last minute call, hence the limited numbers as the E82 body was nearing its deadline but the new 2 hasn't even received a facelift so the new m2 has a healthy 2-3 years of production.

[PKumarM3]

the side and rear yes!

the front, no.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by CLUBBER

Just received an insider info. BMW is planning to build 8000 M2's in the first year ! It seems it won't be as exclusive as the 1MC. Which is not a bad thing tbh as they will price it lower hopefully.

when roughly 6300 M2s were produced. That is a very slight increase.

Originally Posted by CLUBBER

1MC was a last minute call, hence the limited numbers as the E82 body was nearing its deadline but the new 2 hasn't even received a facelift so the new m2 has a healthy 2-3 years of production.

if your figure of 8K is true.. they will still be difficult to obtain.

fun to look at the history of threads like this...

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=589368

[UpNcOmINg!]

I have always wanted this car.
The want is just increasing more and more.

CF bits here and there, maybe some more low and a couple performance pieces and I will GLADLY hang onto this car for a good few years.

[hyperzulu]

If the 8k figure is correct (which is at odds with the 10k figure we heard some time ago), it will make it a hard car to get. 8k cars will probably be a worldwide figure with no mention of how many will hit N. America. It's looking like each BMW center may only see a handful of these per production cycle. One a month - maybe two for the centers that sell the most M products? I see a lot of M3's, M4's and M235i's being sold just through sheer attrition of those waiting in line for one.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

when roughly 6300 M2s were produced. That is a very slight increase.



if your figure of 8K is true.. they will still be difficult to obtain.

fun to look at the history of threads like this...

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=589368

They won't be hard to obtain if it is 8,000 a yr. Who knows how many yrs they will run it. But a two year run is 16k give or take it they make more or less the second yr. This is assuming that the info is correct.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

They won't be hard to obtain if it is 8,000 a yr. Who knows how many yrs they will run it. But a two year run is 16k give or take it they make more or less the second yr. This is assuming that the info is correct.

Anyone know how many M235i are made a a year?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Chris The Manx

Anyone know how many M235i are made a a year?

This is from the 2014 annual report - I couldn't find a better table with more specifics:

Sales volume of BMW vehicles by model variant*
in units
2014 2013 Change Proportion of
in % BMW sales volume
2014 in %

BMW 1 Series 190,033 213,611 – 11.0 10.5
BMW 2 Series 41,038 – – 2.3
BMW 3 Series 480,214 500,332 – 4.0 26.5
BMW 4 Series 119,580 14,763 – 6.6
BMW 5 Series 373,053 366,992 1.7 20.6
BMW 6 Series 23,988 27,687 – 13.4 1.3
BMW 7 Series 48,519 56,001 – 13.4 2.7
BMW X1 156,471 161,353 – 3.0 8.6
BMW X3 150,915 157,303 – 4.1 8.3
BMW X4 21,688 – – 1.2
BMW X5 147,381 107,231 37.4 8.1
BMW X6 30,244 36,688 – 17.6 1.7
BMW Z4 10,802 12,866 – 16.0 0.6
BMW i 17,793 311 – 1.0
BMW total 1,811,719 1,655,138 9.5 100.0

*
Including the joint venture BMW Brilliance Automotive Ltd., Shenyang (2013: 198,542 units, 2014: 275,891 units).

[hyperzulu]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

They won't be hard to obtain if it is 8,000 a yr. Who knows how many yrs they will run it. But a two year run is 16k give or take it they make more or less the second yr. This is assuming that the info is correct.

I don't think it's 8k a year for the US though. Probably 8k a year globally. Look at e9x numbers: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=863649

They will produce many more M3s and M4s than they will M2s, and if the production numbers for the previous gen M3 is any indication, you won't see ANYWHERE near 8k M2s in the US for the first year.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by hyperzulu

I don't think it's 8k a year for the US though. Probably 8k a year globally. Look at e9x numbers: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=863649

They will produce many more M3s and M4s than they will M2s, and if the production numbers for the previous gen M3 is any indication, you won't see ANYWHERE near 8k M2s in the US for the first year.

Agree.. more like 800..

Originally Posted by IS3andME

They won't be hard to obtain if it is 8,000 a yr. Who knows how many yrs they will run it. But a two year run is 16k give or take it they make more or less the second yr. This is assuming that the info is correct.

Did you do any math or does 8K just sound like a big number to you?

740 of 6300 1Ms (11 percent) made it to the US.. 400 numbered models for the UK and IIRC about 220 for Canada.

So... let's assume that annual production is 8000 and that maybe 900 of 8000 1Ms will make it here.

Tell you what.. let's splurge and say BMW NA somehow gets 1200 for the US.

1200 cars cars across 350 plus dealers is an average of 3 cars per dealer.

if each dealer is guaranteed ONE car then that means leaves only 850 of these vehicles are going to be the SECOND allocation at a dealer. How those additional are divided out will be interesting ... I am NINTH in line at my local dealer... the smallest of FOUR dealers. I am sure some will drop out.. but that certainly will be needed for me to get an allocation because the likelihood of any dealer getting NINE M2 allocations is small. There are 4 dealers in the DFW metroplex and one is a small dealer.. the other three move lots more.

IF the three large dealers near me all get nine cars .. that is still under one car per month..
Tell me again how this will be easy, even in the second year?

oh yeah.. and this car hasn't even been announced... Joe Average BMW enthusiast hasn't even heard about it ...

not sure about you... but as a buyer already in line.... I'm not that comforted by annual production of 8K.

[hyperzulu]

Yeah, if the M235i was hard to get the first year, this car is going to be much much worse. I mean think about how many 4 series are made and then compare the number of M4s. It's like a 10th of production. Then with 2 series numbers being maybe a fifth of 4 series numbers, and scaling down the M2 from that, we might see 2000 in the US after the first and second year run if first year run is just six months.

[JustChris]

Hmm I might politely enquire at my dealers how many deposits are down.

Now that the M4GTS is know to be 2xM4 price....M2 CSL might be a step too far....

[Die ///M Rakete]

Make that "six steps too far" for me.

It actually gives me peace of mind in regards to impending obsolescence for the run-of-the-mill M2. I don't covet what I can't afford

[W///]

Originally Posted by hyperzulu

Yeah, if the M235i was hard to get the first year, this car is going to be much much worse. I mean think about how many 4 series are made and then compare the number of M4s. It's like a 10th of production. Then with 2 series numbers being maybe a fifth of 4 series numbers, and scaling down the M2 from that, we might see 2000 in the US after the first and second year run if first year run is just six months.

Like I said before, don't know how accurate the info is, but the last info I heard was 600 in the US for the first year (this didn't come from a dealership FYI). Some other member that I've never talked to before also was told 600. Whether that's pure coincidence or not, I don't know.

Originally Posted by Die ///M Rakete

Make that "six steps too far" for me.

It actually gives me peace of mind in regards to impending obsolescence for the run-of-the-mill M2. I don't covet what I can't afford

Me too actually. If it was $10k over budget, I might do a stupid decision and stretch the budget. But if it's truly GT4 money or more, then I know it's so far out there that I wouldn't bother day dreaming about one anyway.

[hyperzulu]

Originally Posted by W///

Like I said before, don't know how accurate the info is, but the last info I heard was 600 in the US for the first year (this didn't come from a dealership FYI). Some other member that I've never talked to before also was told 600. Whether that's pure coincidence or not, I don't know.

Right, I am saying 2000 for the first (short) model year run AND the second model year run of 11-12 months. Whatever it is, it will be a small number and if it's only 600 in the first six months, that means not every dealer will get even one a month. Which seems likely since the M235i was that scarce at first (1-2 allocations per dealer per month) and this car will be even lower in numbers.

[playitfunky]

Originally Posted by Chris The Manx

Hmm I might politely enquire at my dealers how many deposits are down.

Now that the M4GTS is know to be 2xM4 price....M2 CSL might be a step too far....

I know at mine there are currently 3 in the que and I'm number 3

[Bosozoku]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

I was actually going to mention Mineral Grey because it will also be a great color for showing the design of the M2. ...

Dark colors show off specular reflections and other surface detail. Especially character lines.
Light colors hide surface detail, character lines, etc.
That's why swirl marks don't show (as much) on white cars.

[chmura]

For the discussion about the M2 being limited.

Part of me does not want the M2 to be limited. Has anyone been over at the 1M forum? It's completely dead because it's so limited!