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And if you actually do take your M out on track, the maintenance and depreciation are going to erase the M resale-bonus that otherwise accrues if it just sits around like a show queen (would anybody here expect a heavily-tracked M3 to go past the warranty period w/o expensive problems?). Really a testament to the 2 series in general, rather than a slam on the M2 - For a change they really built the whole series as a driver's car, so less differentiation for the M (like it used to be - a really serious factory track machine that will have limited applications, and mainly as a platform for true competition). |
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Interesting thread. I still want an M2, but I really like my M235i a lot. I've had it almost a year and have really enjoyed it.
The thing with me is, I like aggressive cars, but I'm not as hard core as some. I've modded my M235I slightly with staggered MPSS, VMR wheels, Dinan springs, resonator delete, exhaust and intake. It sounds nice and rides how I like. Had I got an M2 I wouldn't have modded anything because the car has everything I did to my M235i, and more, straight from the factory(Nicer tires, rims, nice sounding exhaust, and aggressive suspension). I'm single, with no dependents so I can pretty much do what I want but, I'm just not as anxious about getting a M2 as I was a year ago. Part of the reason is availability of course, and the fact that I really like my M235i. I did a HPDE last year and it was all I could handle. It was scary and very fun at times. It showed me how much I didn't know about driving on a track. I can't imagine how it would have been with a M2. I've heard the car makes it easier on novices like me, but who knows how different it may have been. I'd still take an M2 if the right opportunity presents itself, but I'm not aggressively looking for one right now. I could sell my M235I, but that's a hard decision, which says a lot. I really like having a sunroof, and get a lot of compliments and stares. I don't mind the compliments, but the stares make me uncomfortable, though I know it's most-likely just another enthusiast checking the car out. |
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FWIW, I could have bought either an M2 or the M240i. My dealer had the allocation to order me an M2 or the M240i. Not premium up-charge on the M2 either.
So, I loved the M2 body. Rear end flared, more aggressive front fascia. Heck, it's a true M car. Watched the videos comparing the M240i and the M2. Ride in the M2 is rough. After watching a few videos, and the comments about extended driving or on rough roads, the M2 isn't the most practical (but hey, I can live with a little teeth rattling)......and it looks soooo cool. Gas mileage, not as good. Gas is cheap (for now), Insurance is higher (not that much higher), M2 is set up for the track and for caring canyon road @ speed. Wowser! BMW's return to the "Ultimate Driving Machine" Then I looked at the M240i. Still a pretty nice looking sports coupe. Select-able rides, w/ comfort as a option. Performance, nearly as quick as a M2 in straight line (some videos show the two trading wins). Better gas mileage, lower insurance, and I do not track or have canyons to carve. $7K less to buy. I test drove the M240i and as was blown away with its performance. After weighing pros and cons between the two cars, common sense prevailed and I went with a Estoril Blue M240i w/ most of the available options. Yeah, I wish it was an M2, but for the appearance only. Most everything else the M2 brought to the table are unnecessary or unwanted (for me). Just my perspective and certainly not a knock against anyone who went the M2 route. I still drool every time I see one. Who knows I may just buy one the next time around. |
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You do realize all you need is a DP and tune and your much faster than most m2's that are out there and close in the handling dept. If you cant handle a HPDE, theres no reason for you to have an m2.
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the only thing about the M2 that I would love to see on my M235 is the more aggressive body styling. Otherwise, I am completely content with my M235 in terms of performance, comfort, and quality.
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i don't like the look of the m2 front bumper at all.
I would love to have the wide rear and the ability to run 18x10" tires tho. Wide body kit on a 235 answers that problem.
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This nails it. Until then I'll continue to enjoy my M235i.
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The one thing people haven't mentioned here,but has been brought up in some of the review articles - the ECU in the M2 is probably different than the m235/240, as well as the steering setup. Have people who've driven both noticed a difference in the aggressiveness of the nannies or the steering feel/feedback?
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I also know that the M235i can be modded to go faster than an m2, but its not all about speed. I personally like the look of the M2 better, with it's bigger tires, quad tailpipes and nice 19 inch rims straight from the factory. While I enjoyed my time at the track during the hpde, and will most-likely go back to learn more; everyone doesn't buy nice performance cars just to go to the track or mod them. The cool thing about the M2, I wouldn't want to mod it, and if I wanted to take it to the track I could. |
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Do you know how many ppl in their vettes and gtr's come to a HPDE and wreck, or are completely off line because they have no business in that car? Concentrate on being a better driver before you get a high performance car. Thats basic, 101 novice advice. https://www.facebook.com/bryanduncan...1842566243016/ https://www.facebook.com/bryanduncan...1836608254070/
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Im pretty sure the ecu is the same, see photo. They have different turbos, and some internal parts.
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I'm sure they're people who wreck their high end cars at these events. A guy in my group, in a viper, got kicked off the track during one of our runs, I'm not sure what he did. Looking back on it now, I wish I'd kept my 95 e36 m3 and turned it into a track car. It's just kind of nerve racking driving my new car during these events, even though it was incredibly fun at times. |
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http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/two-...egas/655210685
LAS VEGAS - A client and instructor died on Sunday in a Lamborghini crash at SpeedVegas. The incident happened around 1:26 p.m at 14200 S. Las Vegas Boulevard.
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The question the OP asked about was about switching cars as a daily driver. |
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If the M2 rear fenders/bumper could be just bolted onto the 240 with minimal fuss, and the tire limits were just about 'poke' then I'd probably do that. Being able to run 19's at the back with 275/35 would be great, especially with the 437 replicas I also hate the front, but if there was an aftermarket version without the 'fangs' I'd be all over that, I really don't like the basic M 'smile' on my car |
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If one doesn't have those skills, even that performance difference can't be realized and appreciated, so why bother with an M2 as a DD? Because some people want things that have higher limits than they themselves do. If I'm an average bass guitar player, does that mean I should only play an average bass -- even if I can afford that five-figure custom-made Fedora, or a vintage late-50s Fender Precision? Hell no. I want that P-Bass! (An aside: I'm a proponent of more extensive training for the licensing of potentially deadly machines, including cars, motorcycles, and firearms. Basically, I feel one needs to prove safe and competent operation before owning one for public safety reasons. But I get why such training doesn't exist in the U.S. ... and, so, we have Mustang Cars & Coffee jokes for days.)
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If this is her first high performance car - and she's only had a two day course, then you're responsible not the dealer - as her friend you should have had her start off with something that had lower performance limits.
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I spent countless hours trying to convince her to start out with something like a Cayman, TTS literally anything else to learn on. It's not like I was buying it as a gift or she was my kid or something. There is only so much anyone car do sometimes people need to learn themselves the hard way.
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