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I don’t have my car yet so can’t test anything or comment on what it feels like to me. But I read this thread and understand what people are saying. There is a variable involved so comparing sport and sport+ is making people go in circles discussing the settings on sport.
If sport mode is configured as default with chassis and drivetrain, does it feel any different when switching to sport+ ? People have weighed in with their impressions on both sides - I have read people’s opinions that its possible better throttle response, stiffer suspension, and stiffer steering with possible more active sound…. I have read others that say, no difference other than DTC. As to say no difference in the feel of things when switching from sport to sport+ At this point, is there any concrete evidence that supports or disproves the different impressions people have gotten thus far? |
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Plus when lifting off throttle from high rpm, you'll hear some burps, etc. in Sport that you won't get in Comfort or Eco. |
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06-30-2014, 11:16 AM | #48 | |
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well at least the transmission doesn't do anything when switching from sport to sport+ as long as (sport is configured to include "drivetrain")
so i would say transmission stays the same... now throttle response, steering weight and suspension stiffness are going to be hard to objectively measure Quote:
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I see no reason for BMW to create different profiles for "Chassis" or "Drivetrain" in "Sport+" compared to "Sport". Most people wouldn't notice subtle differences anyway so why bother and needlessly complicate things ?. Therefore my opinion is that "Sport+" is like maxed-out "Sport" with a little extra sportiness (hence "+") in the form of disabled traction control (pompously called "dynamic traction control on").
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06-30-2014, 01:42 PM | #51 |
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I almost always drive in comfort mode.
I have the non-adaptive M sport suspension, so dampers are always the same. The heavier steering in Sport/Sport+ does nothing for accuracy or feel, so I have no preference there. In the stop and go traffic here, I find that the more sensitive throttle in Sport mode make smooth driving a chore, so usually comfort it is unless I am anticipating doing some harder launches. In that case, I flip it to Sport+ to keep the DSC from cutting power at the slightest hint of wheel spin. |
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06-30-2014, 05:29 PM | #52 |
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After reading both page 112 and 113 of the owner's manual, I noticed a possibly useful nugget of information: if you turn on DTC using the "DSC OFF" button, it will disengage after you reach a 31 MPH/50 km/h.
However, if you are in Sport+, which also turns on DTC, DTC will *not* disengage at any speed. (Note, though, that if you engage cruise control, the car will automatically switch from Sport+ to Sport.) This implies that Sport+ really is just Sport (in "Drivetrain & Chassis" mode) with "permanent" DTC. This allows you to have all the sporty aspects of Sport plus more leeway to spin or skid the tires. While it still could be true that Sport+ also has some extra sportiness in one of more aspects of the drivetrain/chassis, I think it's unlikely. I think BMW wants drivers to have the choice between "sportiest driving experience but with safety features still fully intact" and "sportiest driving experience plus willing to risk wheelspin and oversteer/understeer". The former would be for enthusiastic street driving, while the latter would be for the track (or more adventurous street driving).
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Who thinks comfort mode is a bit too comfort?
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I did some driving today on the way home and I don't really feel any difference at all between sport and sport+ regarding drivetrain or chassis....
for example... if you configure sport to (only drivetrain) when you go from comfort to sport, steering doesn't change at all just trans downshifts and you get sharper throttle if you configure sport to (only chassis) when you go from comfort to sport, steering gets heavier and transmission and throttle stays the same as soon as you go to sport+ trans downshifts if sport configured to (only chassis) and steering gets heavier if sport configured to (only drivetrain), else if sport is (drivetrain and chassis) there is no diff but for DTC on.... Also i think shifting the gear leaver to the left and get into DS mode does exactly the same as the "drivetrain" option in sport Only difference is that every time the lever is moved from D to DS, the car will downshift 1 gear inmediatelly, if you move back to D and back to DS will downshift another...... if you leave it for a few seconds it will go back to the previous gear it was in when it was in sport and D |
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Yea, doesnt work
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Just returned home yesterday from a 720 mile road trip. I used the Comfort mode almost entirely. Did about 30 miles on some twisty roads in the Sierra Mountain foothills in the Sport mode.
Other than the trip, I alternate between the Comfort mode and Sport mode frequently. When I'm by myself, it's almost entirely Sport mode. BTW, got 34.7 MPG on the 720 mile highway trip using the Comfort mode. Most of the highway speeds were between 70 and 82 MPH, with passing bursts to 95+. I do not care for the Eco Pro mode.
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I thought the car automatically defaulted to the comfort throttle sensitivity when in "sport + " a few seconds after selecting. This was because the DSC was disabled?
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Beyond that, I don't think anything reverts back to any of the Comfort features while in Sport+ mode. Now, my experience so far with just the Sport mode is that the suspension stays firm all of the time, the RPM's go up and stay up and the transmission shifts aggressively. Brake real hard and you'll see rapid downshifts. Or, cruise with a light foot on the throttle and the gear changes become less aggressive, but still see a higher RPM.
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played with the different modes for few days and i have to agree that bmw made this for the general public (non-enthusiast).
comfort mode - i do like the soft suspension setup for city driving/bumpy roads but the throttle and steering response is too soft. Im going 40mph and its in 8th gear WTF. sports mode - they only made 2 customizable settings (chaisis and drivetrain), I wish they would seperate the damper and the steering setting seperately and at least have 2 additional setting for throttle and sound...now thats a true M Performance car IMO So for my setup I have sport mode for drivetrain only...for city driving (soft dampers and tighter steering + more sound) and use sports + for my spirited driving It is what it is, hopefully they will change this on the LCIs or as we know how Bmw do...they save these things for the True M cars. Dont get me wrong I still love the car |
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Is this a real question? There is a difference and its documented in the manual. Sport+ turns off the car trying to keep itself straight in a line. You have to do that. That's it. It's legit the "okay, now you're driving without training wheels" version of Sport, so if you do a donut on the highway and kill yourself, they can say it's your fault for turning it off. If it was going to have different power train and chassis, they wouldn't give it the same name with a +.
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All Eco pro does is change the throttle sensitivity and add coasting, to make it possible for you to accelerate from 0 at a red light with minimal fuel usage and to coast to the next red light. It's maximal efficiency for city driving. If you're not worried about gas or you're not in the city, don't use it, as there's no point.
Myself, I use a large part of my fuel in small speed increases and Eco pro makes it much easier for me to avoid that, so I actually use it a lot. Last edited by darkerosxx; 07-05-2014 at 11:24 AM.. |
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So I have put on 800 miles in just a few days. I have the 6mt. So I don't think that the Eco mode ruins it as much as it would in the auto. When I am not driving on back roads or for fun I put it in eco mode. I find it easy to just cruze lazily. On my road trip from California to Oregon. I have gotten 28 mpg per the fill-ups. Not per the gauge. My gauge shows about 27. On this trip I was going about 82mph most of the time.
I do love sport mode when I want fun. I got this car to save some gas and that's why I Eco when not trying to drive enthusiastically. My old car 1995 BMW 540 6mt could not dream of getting the gas mileage this car does. |
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