[left123]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Actually you've got it wrong. it's the other way around. don't Disparage 320 buyers..

the 320 *exists* only because BMW is all about keeping the crown for the midsize sport(y) sedan market in sales (3/4 vs C class vs Audi )

They never thought of a 2 series gran coupe because they so focused on, and thought they might lose some 3/4 sales.
When the competition got close last year.. they hurried up a 320 to market to boost sales with some cheap lease prices.

Don't blame buyers ... they just were looking for a compact sedan from BMW that ain't 50K.

That car should have been on the lot for those buyers.. .... in the form of a 1 series sedan.. or 2 series gran coupe...

The buyers that didn't bite on the 320, or... more importantly.. the part that BMW forgot.. BUYERS THAT WANT A COMPACT SEDAN, are now driving CLAs and Audi models that competitors brought out by reintroducing the compact sedan segment that BMW dominated with the E30, E36 and E46.

Well I guess we'll just partially disagree. I remember all the e30 buyers back in the day that drove it just for the name (think 90210 style!). To me, that's the 320i. Now obviously there are people on here who don't fit that mold and that's true for any car. Nothing can be completely compartmentalized, but in general, I would feel that someone who is an enthusiast would get a used 328i or 335i.

Just my 2 cents.

[angelbones]

I must say I'm a little surprised and a little disappointed from 2-series owners on here. It's as if you never wanted a coupe in the first place. I understand some people are nostalgic for the smaller BMWs and feel that the 2 GC will fill your need for the good ole days when the 5 was the size of the present 3, etc., etc. I just don't get why people are excited for this car when they are a LOT of 4 door options that are at least as competitive, if not more than competitive than this potential car. Get a 335i, or an S3, or a GTI, or Focus RS, or a Mazdaspeed 3, or an Infiniti Q40, or just about any Acura, (and on and on).

I read a quote somewhere that said people that buy a coupe now, are people who want to set themselves apart, and don't worry about pleasing the kids (b/c usually they have none, or none that live at home). A TRUE 2-door coupe is about either "personal" luxury or "personal" sport or if you're going downscale, a "personal" economy car. In other words, no 4-door coupes, as that is an oxymoron. In an earlier post on this thread, I stated that I understand the business case for BMW for making this car, but that doesn't mean I have to like it, nor that I agree with it.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

Doesn't make sense. So the 2er Gran Coupe would use a different chassis (CLAR) than the 2er coupe (FWD)? I don't buy it.

I would tend to agree. I see no reason to believe at this point that any sub 3 Series vehicles will use any other platform besides UKL. That's clearly where they are investing for the future based on 1 Series sedan spy shots.

There's still a few years yet, so anything could happen in theory. But I would need to see spy pics of a new small RWD BMW to believe those won't be extinct after 2020.

[W///]

Originally Posted by angelbones

I must say I'm a little surprised and a little disappointed from 2-series owners on here. It's as if you never wanted a coupe in the first place. I understand some people are nostalgic for the smaller BMWs and feel that the 2 GC will fill your need for the good ole days when the 5 was the size of the present 3, etc., etc. I just don't get why people are excited for this car when they are a LOT of 4 door options that are at least as competitive, if not more than competitive than this potential car. Get a 335i, or an S3, or a GTI, or Focus RS, or a Mazdaspeed 3, or an Infiniti Q40, or just about any Acura, (and on and on).

I read a quote somewhere that said people that buy a coupe now, are people who want to set themselves apart, and don't worry about pleasing the kids (b/c usually they have none, or none that live at home). A TRUE 2-door coupe is about either "personal" luxury or "personal" sport or if you're going downscale, a "personal" economy car. In other words, no 4-door coupes, as that is an oxymoron. In an earlier post on this thread, I stated that I understand the business case for BMW for making this car, but that doesn't mean I have to like it, nor that I agree with it.

I'm planning to add an M2 when it comes out, but it's not like I absolutely wanted a coupe (especially considering I already have 2). But I don't see anything else that I liked as much.

None of those examples you provided do much for me. I'm really looking for a 6MT and RWD, that is somewhat compact at the same time. First choice is a wagon (BMW won't build that), a sedan ( we'll see if they do an M2 GC), and a coupe.

If BMW is interested in releasing more small compact cars, by all means. I'd rather see that than more GT cars.

[gvega702]

Originally Posted by ParkNuts

I think BMW is diluting the brand with all the suv iterations. However, this could be a very important car to compete with Audi and merc. It's not niche. BMW really does need a smaller sedan, bad. The new 3 is gigantic and if they're offering the ultimate driving machine, don't make me buy something huge if I want 4 doors.

Exactly. This is a staple car for BMW and has been for years until f30 moved up in size again. We need these core models and need them to be good. BMW can make as many cars as they want as long as they are great driver focused vehicles. No more sh*t BMW please

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by SamS

Who said the next-gen 2er coupe would be FWD?

M Gmbh has been fighting hard to keep the next 2er coupe on the CLAR platform hope it will be
working.

[Ramos]

Originally Posted by SamS

Who said the next-gen 2er coupe would be FWD?

This site and all the rumors from scott26 and others.

I'm surprised you are attacking me when it's pretty common knowledge around here

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by VDBimmer

Can we just get the M2 already then they can start worrying about a 2 series GC lol

Haha, true

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

It is rare but you get good news this time! Is the new ceo going to change bmw's plans about the G21 for north american market too?

No. Because the new X1 and X3 will perform better.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

No. Because the new X1 and X3 will perform better.

Thanks for the answer Scott! For the grand coupe your sketch are looking like F22 but I guess we won't see a grand coupe before the next generation(Gxx)?

[SamS]

Originally Posted by Ramos

This site and all the rumors from scott26 and others.

I'm surprised you are attacking me when it's pretty common knowledge around here

Huh, attacking you?

This site (via Scott26) specifically said "Full decision on the next 2 Series is not final yet (full decision will be taken by the end of the year) and can use the UKL chassis but can adapted for RWD. "

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1034302

Which is why I wondered that the car had been definitely decided as FWD?

[huma]

I would buy a sedan version of our 2 series if everything's the same.

I was cross shopping this with the S3 and IS250. Prefer sedans, but BMW had the better overall package.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by W///

Better yet, they could just skip all that if they want and just bring me the LCI 1er hatchback.

And make it the 1M variety - SOLD!

[dmboone25]

And if they make the M2GC, give it the F80 hips.

[Imola.ZHP]

Of course it is, after I sell my ZHP that I owned for 9 years and bought an i3. FML.

[335i_4D]

M2 GC, count me in!
If that happens, I'll be 1st day at my dealer to prepare an ED.

Would be the only car that could get me out of my F30 (or it's planned replacement when available, a 440i F36)!

As much as I do prefer the balance and the drivability of the 2 series, the 2d format is just not practical for me.

[CalCarNut]

I think they should just leave the Gran Coupe's to the 4 and 6 series

[marcva]

Originally Posted by SoCalDave

I think they should just leave the Gran Coupe's to the 4 and 6 series

2 gc appeals to e36 and e46 4 door pilots...we don't want a bigger car, but we want 4 doors.

[CalCarNut]

Originally Posted by marcva

2 gc appeals to e36 and e46 4 door pilots...we don't want a bigger car, but we want 4 doors.

I hear ya..but the 4-series GC is only 6" longer than the E46 and only ~8" longer than the 2. Those extra doors gotta come from somewhere w/ added length to the car....

[marcva]

Don't need a 4 gc. I would buy a 3 if it came to that. I guess I just want a 2 series sedan to replace my e36m

[marcva]

Then again, there aren't many of us left, so maybe the segment isn't bug enough to serve. I'll just keep evolving coolcar (my kids' name for my m345)

[ska///235i]

Originally Posted by marcva

2 gc appeals to e36 and e46 4 door pilots...we don't want a bigger car, but we want 4 doors.

Well, as a former e90 sedan, M235i owner and now a 4GC...The 4GC interior is already tight, I cant imagine a 2GC. The 2GC 2nd row doors will be just for looks