[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

I think you will be impressed with the Pebble Beach debuts.
It proves how BMW M. is innovative and progressive in its own way and does not seek to interpret the direction of the competition.

The Preview Teaser is imminent.

This is good news.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by synergist

Always with the ambiguity haha

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

I think you will be impressed with the Pebble Beach debuts.
It proves how BMW M. is innovative and progressive in its own way and does not seek to interpret the direction of the competition.
The Preview Teaser is imminent.

synergist, you may just have coined a new notion: ///Mbiguity

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by Zoli007

Call me crazy, I went and looked at a 2014 Z/28 with 1k miles the other day. Wow what a beast. Considering...

You're crazy.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

It proves how BMW M. is innovative and progressive in its own way and does not seek to interpret the direction of the competition.

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Well, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

[matbl]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

I think you will be impressed with the Pebble Beach debuts.

If rumors are correct, an entirely different car will steal much of the attention in Pebble Beach...

[W///]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

This is good news.

It's alright news. I can't buy a concept car and I can't afford an M4 GTS. I will be spectating, rather than saying there's my next car unfortunately.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by W///

It's alright news. I can't buy a concept car and I can't afford an M4 GTS. I will be spectating, rather than saying there's my next car unfortunately.

True...but if it DOES happen to be the M2, the "concept" should be really really close to the production model. And if that's the case, well you (and everyone else) will have a really good idea of what the car is going to look like when it starts showing up this spring.

[ashburyn54]

I'm hoping BMW follows Fords SVT/R/RS release approach to some degree. I would honestly be surprised if we don't see something at Pebble. The hype is built but has become relatively stagnant to the non "forum obsessed M enthusiast". I believe we will see the M4 GTS, some hint at a CSL heritage similar to the future M2 concept CSL, and at least an M2 teaser or full concept reveal. I realize they are far behind Ford in terms of timing but truly believe something big is coming. Possibly a full packaged M fleet deal, displayed along side some of BMW's best from the past. After all, Ford is the competition and they've done one hell of a job.

Side note; the GT350 is incredible in person. I saw one among dualing last gen Ford GT's in the Pirelli World Challenge Paddock at Mid-Ohio.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

I think you will be impressed with the Pebble Beach debuts.
It proves how BMW M. is innovative and progressive in its own way and does not seek to interpret the direction of the competition.
The Preview Teaser is imminent.

Originally Posted by matbl

If rumors are correct, an entirely different car will steal much of the attention in Pebble Beach...

If BMW uses the 1M timeline blueprint, some M2 concept cat (base or CSL) may be let out of the bag this month. Pebble Beach later this month may be an interesting occasion for an M2 CSL reveal (if not in the flesh, at least on a screen). Time will tell.

• 8 July 2010: teaser video "Step 1";
• 27 August 2010: teaser video "Unveiled";
• late August 2010: teased at a private event in the US (BMW CCA Oktoberfest 2010 [23-29 August 2010]) - no full reveal;
• 6 October 2010: Paris teaser video "Unveiled part 2";
• 18 November 2010: revealed to a small group in Leipzig (including a couple of forum fellows);
• 20 November 2010: teaser video "Step 2" (about the 18 November 2010 reveal);
• 7 December 2010: teased in London at Autosport Awards 2010 "Joy is unveiled" ("Unveiled part 3");
• 8 December 2010: teaser video "Step 3" ("And now it's your turn");
• 13 December 2010: Skiddmark full reveal video made available on YT ("In the Studio with BMW's 1 Series M Coupe | SkiddMark");
• 16 December 2010: BMW full reveal video through Bimmerpost made available on YT ("11+ Min Video of BMW 1 series M Coupe (1M). Acceleration, Track, E30 M3 Footage");
• January 2011: world premiere at Detroit Motor Show;
• March 2011: start of production
• May 2011: raving car journalists reviews pour in, the 1M is (un)available at ///M dealerships (first deliveries) and the frenzy goes ballistic;
• 2011-2012: release of three commercials ("Walls" - "Helipad" - "Perfect Balance").

Next:

• 22 May 2015: Villa d'Este Concorso d'Eleganza (Italy): BMW 3.0 CSL Hommage
• 16 August 2015: Pebble Beach Concours d’Elégance (US): M4 GTS and ???

[fuddman]

When you think of the development of a car with the CSL badge on it, the first thing that should pop up in your mind is "money." The CSL badge is worth money because any car it goes on will attract money. Just like the M badge attracts money. How, then, is BMW going to get the most money out of the CSL badge?
My guess is they'll create a subset of M cars, CSL M cars. The M3/M4 CSL, the M6 CSL, the X5m CSL, of course, the M2 CSL, and so on . Which comes first? The one with the highest cumulative profit margin. My guess is the M3/M4 versions.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by fuddman

When you think of the development of a car with the CSL badge on it, the first thing that should pop up in your mind is "money." The CSL badge is worth money because any car it goes on will attract money. Just like the M badge attracts money. How, then, is BMW going to get the most money out of the CSL badge?
My guess is they'll create a subset of M cars, CSL M cars. The M3/M4 CSL, the M6 CSL, the X5m CSL, of course, the M2 CSL, and so on . Which comes first? The one with the highest cumulative profit margin. My guess is the M3/M4 versions.

Expect M2 CSL pricing deep into the M3/M4 pricing zone anyway.

I guess that track enthusiasts are prepared to pay Cayman GT4 money for a watered down, real life version of the BMW GT6 Vision Concept.

[Adem1534]

Can we please have a teaser????? Pretty please??????

[MR.]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Can we please have a teaser????? Pretty please??????

The team here is working on a render that will come soon... If the teaser is not coming, we at least have that to keep us busy.

MR

[Gibson6594]

Originally Posted by MR.

The team here is working on a render that will come soon... If the teaser is not coming, we at least have that to keep us busy.

MR

"Soon" is the Justin Beiber of words.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by ashburyn54

I'm hoping BMW follows Fords SVT/R/RS release approach to some degree. I would honestly be surprised if we don't see something at Pebble. The hype is built but has become relatively stagnant to the non "forum obsessed M enthusiast". I believe we will see the M4 GTS, some hint at a CSL heritage similar to the future M2 concept CSL, and at least an M2 teaser or full concept reveal. I realize they are far behind Ford in terms of timing but truly believe something big is coming. Possibly a full packaged M fleet deal, displayed along side some of BMW's best from the past. After all, Ford is the competition and they've done one hell of a job.

Side note; the GT350 is incredible in person. I saw one among dualing last gen Ford GT's in the Pirelli World Challenge Paddock at Mid-Ohio.

I think you've got this backwards... Ford has set their sights on BMW M3/M4 with the Mustang. Pretty much all the head to head reviews of the E90 M3 and the Mustang came back that the Mustang is fun but not refined and not there yet but getting closer..

I Sincerely doubt that BMW is looking over their shoulder at Ford across the pond when there are challengers from Mercedes, Porsche, and Audi right in their own backyard. next you will tell me they are worried about the next Mitsu evo..

[Denk]

I have found serenity in accepting the things I cannot change.

[ashburyn54]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I think you've got this backwards... Ford has set their sights on BMW M3/M4 with the Mustang. Pretty much all the head to head reviews of the E90 M3 and the Mustang came back that the Mustang is fun but not refined and not there yet but getting closer..

I Sincerely doubt that BMW is looking over their shoulder at Ford across the pond when there are challengers from Mercedes, Porsche, and Audi right in their own backyard. next you will tell me they are worried about the next Mitsu evo..

Oh lord. You make a great point. The next evo will be something, something overpriced and falling apart. Some swan song rumors have pricing in Japan touching GTR territory.

I guess the tides have changed. Comparing an the e92 m3 vs larger NA v8 strapped to a car with little refinement was easy. Today the comparisons seem to favor the domestic fellows, Especially ford. You would have thought the world was ending based on the fiesta ST reviews. The answer was no longer miata but fiesta. I know that has little relevance to BMW M. But we now have a flat plane crank, balanced chassis and a high revving wall poster of a mustang to compete with. Honestly the M4 has more rivals coming from the U.S. than Germany. The ats-v, cts-v, gt350/350r, hell even the c7. I will admit the M2 has more German rivals, but that doesn't take away any focus on the U.S.

If they aren't worried, they should be. I hope they are, and I genuinely cannot wait for this damn release. It's driving me insane.

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I think you've got this backwards... Ford has set their sights on BMW M3/M4 with the Mustang. Pretty much all the head to head reviews of the E90 M3 and the Mustang came back that the Mustang is fun but not refined and not there yet but getting closer..

I Sincerely doubt that BMW is looking over their shoulder at Ford across the pond when there are challengers from Mercedes, Porsche, and Audi right in their own backyard. next you will tell me they are worried about the next Mitsu evo..

The one car I'd be worried about if I were BMW is the ATS-V. It's a lot closer to the M3/4 then any Benz or Audi. Just saying. Minus the interior of The ATS, that still has much catching up to do.

[W///]

Originally Posted by dd1981

The one car I'd be worried about if I were BMW is the ATS-V. It's a lot closer to the M3/4 then any Benz or Audi. Just saying. Minus the interior of The ATS, that still has much catching up to do.

If they had dropped an NA V8 in there, I'd agree. But with the V6 getting criticism, I think they missed a good opportunity. Shame because the chassis is world class

[horsepower_and_hounds]

This is like slow detailed murder

[Bamowe]

A famous german carmag just posted that the BMW M2 will be unveiled at the IAA ...

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/n...1-1210545.html

But at the moment, I do not believe this ...

[Mp3ccable]

Originally Posted by Bamowe

A famous german carmag just posted that the BMW M2 will be unveiled at the IAA ...

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/n...1-1210545.html

But at the moment, I do not believe this ...

Search BMW M2 using Google and you'll get conflicting reports under the news tab. Many magazines and blogs are speculating, some "confirming," that it will debut in October; with a full unveil at either L.A. or Detroit.

It's a waiting game that I believe will be worthwhile, regardless of the venue.