BMW M2 CSL [Edit: M4 CSL info]

[SCOTT26]

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CSL will only be available for the Coupe models.

CSL Concept car will be shown in 2016.

CSL will use the ideas from the hommage such as stuck on but blended in aerodynamics to bring a fresh visual perspective to these more extreme hardcore M cars over standard M cars.

CSL cars will not only be the most extreme variants but will also be used as the innovation test lab to test new and exciting innovation to enhance performance but meeting legislation. That includes variations of Power eDrive that have been developed to enhance and assist performance whilst delivering exceptional sustainability.

CSL cars will be innovative in using lightweight materials, the BMW M4 GTS has its upper body completely fabricated with CFRP. And BMW have done additional developments with parts of the M4 chassis also using CFRP in reference to Motorsport purpose, but it would not be unthinkable for application within a road car.

CSL continues the historic decision to use the then E9 and its Motorsport innovations within conventional road cars. But today the field is much further in terms of advanced innovation not only aimed at performance but also sustainability.

Updated 9/1/15:

The purpose and ability to bring something radical to the performance segment lies within the genes of the CSL Hommage. BMW and BMW M through BMWi are now at an exciting stage even ahead of their competitors to introduce an exciting new linage of CSL remodels evoking the very same reasons they were introduced in the first place to develop Motorsport technology and innovation for the road.

If we look at the M4 GTS its lighter,faster and more precise than the standard car plus it uses very new exciting innovation with Water Injection technology to distinguish it further from the standard M4 Coupe as does the increase in weight reduction innovation and the more direct response of the dynamics.
You might question what purpose for an M4 CSL?

It could use the same ideas but distinguish further by an increase in weight reduction innovation but incorporate some of BMWs latest thinking in getting the best of performance with an e-boost system demonstrated on the CSL Hommage. And that innovation is being tested on M4s today.

As everything begins for Motorsport BMW M have fabricated chassis sections and components out of CFRP including actual wheels and steering wheels as well as areas in the suspension out of CFRP for Motorsport evaluation, it is not impossible to include in a special road car. There is a conceptual lab in Munich that testing various CFRP applications in BMW,Rolls-Royce and even MINI's with some Cooper S models testing a CFRP hood.

The programme I have seen to reflect the creative conception of BMW Ms new strategy starts from Road car - Road Car Special Packet(Competition) - GTS - CSL. Identity is important so that is why there is an evolution for each stage with the CSL using conceptual visual ideas from the CSL Hommage but applying them realistically. It will be the first modern BMW Batmobile. And again its mission is to bring the competitive edge of Motorsport innovation to the road exactly like the E9 set out to do.

Of course this needs further funding to innovate and apply so there will be new but for the first time a BMW X3M and BMW X4M as well as M Performance versions of the BMW X1 and upcoming BMW X2. The forthcoming BMW Z sports car will be positioned like BMWi as a book between the BMWi and BMW M.

[sth519]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

CSL will only be available for the Coupe models.

CSL Concept car will be shown in 2016.

CSL will use the ideas from the hommage such as stuck on but blended in aerodynamics to bring a fresh visual perspective to these more extreme hardcore M cars over standard M cars.

CSL cars will not only be the most extreme variants but will also be used as the innovation test lab to test new and exciting innovation to enhance performance but meeting legislation. That includes variations of Power eDrive that have been developed to enhance and assist performance whilst delivering exceptional sustainability.

CSL cars will be innovative in using lightweight materials, the BMW M4 GTS has its upper body completely fabricated with CFRP. And BMW have done additional developments with parts of the M4 chassis also using CFRP in reference to Motorsport purpose, but it would not be unthinkable for application within a road car.

CSL continues the historic decision to use the then E9 and its Motorsport innovations within conventional road cars. But today the field is much further in terms of advanced innovation not only aimed at performance but also sustainability.

That was... more specific than I expected.

Since you seem to be in the mood: Any news regarding the regular M2?

[Nordkeyz73]

Guys, it is pretty obvious what is happening at BMW and it's pretty great to be honest. CSL has been confirmed as a hardcore M2 variant a la e46 M3 CSL. The M4 GTS has been confirmed as well, as its concept form is already materialized. Also as to the future of M, electronic energy recovery and power boost augmentation is something to look forward to. Innovation is going to make the future of M, not break it.

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

CSL [cars] will [be] ....more extreme hardcore M cars over standard M cars.

This has immediate implications for the M4 GTS.
The M4 GTS is already a "hardcore" M over standard M car. So, let's see we are going to see in 2016 the super hardcore M4 GTS CSL, the medium strength M4 GTS (non CSL) and the lo strength M4 (non CSL, non GTS). Hmmm, this scenario doesn't sound right. The M4 GTS seems to be a car hanging around without a reason. The scenario would make more sense if the M4 GTS disappeared, say after 2017. Which means the M4 GTS could be a candidate to be a short run, limited number car.
Just say'in.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by fuddman

This has immediate implications for the M4 GTS.
The M4 GTS is already a "hardcore" M over standard M car. So, let's see we are going to see in 2016 the super hardcore M4 GTS CSL, the medium strength M4 GTS (non CSL) and the lo strength M4 (non CSL, non GTS). Hmmm, this scenario doesn't sound right. The M4 GTS seems to be a car hanging around without a reason. The scenario would make more sense if the M4 GTS disappeared, say after 2017. Which means the M4 GTS could be a candidate to be a short run, limited number car.
Just say'in.

M4 GTS is a limited car. Its a one-off.

[Bemo]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

M4 GTS is a limited car. Its a one-off.

When are we getting the M2 CSL and will it be available in the U.S.?

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

M4 GTS is a limited car. Its a one-off.

I just never made the connection that the span of time for M4 GTS production depended on the birth of the CSL. A 2016 CSL concept reveal suggests a, somewhat, short M4 GTS production run. Which, I think, makes the M4 GTS a more interesting car.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

CSL will only be available for the Coupe models.

CSL Concept car will be shown in 2016.

CSL will use the ideas from the hommage such as stuck on but blended in aerodynamics to bring a fresh visual perspective to these more extreme hardcore M cars over standard M cars.

CSL cars will not only be the most extreme variants but will also be used as the innovation test lab to test new and exciting innovation to enhance performance but meeting legislation. That includes variations of Power eDrive that have been developed to enhance and assist performance whilst delivering exceptional sustainability.

CSL cars will be innovative in using lightweight materials, the BMW M4 GTS has its upper body completely fabricated with CFRP. And BMW have done additional developments with parts of the M4 chassis also using CFRP in reference to Motorsport purpose, but it would not be unthinkable for application within a road car.

CSL continues the historic decision to use the then E9 and its Motorsport innovations within conventional road cars. But today the field is much further in terms of advanced innovation not only aimed at performance but also sustainability.

Will there be a M2 Convertible ?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

CSL will only be available for the Coupe models.

CSL Concept car will be shown in 2016.

CSL will use the ideas from the hommage such as stuck on but blended in aerodynamics to bring a fresh visual perspective to these more extreme hardcore M cars over standard M cars.

CSL cars will not only be the most extreme variants but will also be used as the innovation test lab to test new and exciting innovation to enhance performance but meeting legislation. That includes variations of Power eDrive that have been developed to enhance and assist performance whilst delivering exceptional sustainability.

CSL cars will be innovative in using lightweight materials, the BMW M4 GTS has its upper body completely fabricated with CFRP. And BMW have done additional developments with parts of the M4 chassis also using CFRP in reference to Motorsport purpose, but it would not be unthinkable for application within a road car.

CSL continues the historic decision to use the then E9 and its Motorsport innovations within conventional road cars. But today the field is much further in terms of advanced innovation not only aimed at performance but also sustainability.

Mmmm! Freshly brewed tea !


Sounds like a concept should be popping up about a year from now ... Just like I was thinking

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by synergist

Anyone contemplated what engine they would throw into a M2 CSL? I would be very surprised if it remained a N55. A 4cyl turbo to keep weight down perhaps? Along with extensive carbon bits that could be very enticing. What are all your thoughts on if the M2 CSL ends up being a hybrid? I personally wouldn't mind a turbo 3 or 4 cyl along side an electric engine... but then how much would it cost? If it ends up being a $100k+ car then I would have no interest, but if it ends up being in the $70-80K, mind you that is 40-50% greater than the M2, I may be able to justify it. Also, are manuals ever tied into these hybrids? I haven't come by one and that would be a deal breaker for me

Personally, I agree.

Extensive CFRP means a super light chassis and one can also go smaller on the motor.

I Would love to see an M2 CSL with a twin turbo 4 cyl S20 that's basically a smaller version of what's going in the new M6 GTR.

I like the use of Edrive options in a car like the CSL hommage

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

M4 GTS is a limited car. Its a one-off.

Wait a minute. It is the M4 GTS Concept, and when BMW uses that, it generally means that It is close to production. So, the Concept is a one off, but isn't this going into production? And would it be GTS or CSL in name?

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

CSL will only be available for the Coupe models.

CSL Concept car will be shown in 2016.

CSL will use the ideas from the hommage such as stuck on but blended in aerodynamics to bring a fresh visual perspective to these more extreme hardcore M cars over standard M cars.

CSL cars will not only be the most extreme variants but will also be used as the innovation test lab to test new and exciting innovation to enhance performance but meeting legislation. That includes variations of Power eDrive that have been developed to enhance and assist performance whilst delivering exceptional sustainability.

CSL cars will be innovative in using lightweight materials, the BMW M4 GTS has its upper body completely fabricated with CFRP. And BMW have done additional developments with parts of the M4 chassis also using CFRP in reference to Motorsport purpose, but it would not be unthinkable for application within a road car.

CSL continues the historic decision to use the then E9 and its Motorsport innovations within conventional road cars. But today the field is much further in terms of advanced innovation not only aimed at performance but also sustainability.

I like it

Please bring on the CSLs.....M2CSL yum yum

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

Wait a minute. It is the M4 GTS Concept, and when BMW uses that, it generally means that It is close to production. So, the Concept is a one off, but isn't this going into production? And would it be GTS or CSL in name?

M4 GTS to come first - limited production one off model that will likely have a fixed production amount ?

CSL Concept ( perhaps M2 or M4)

If the first CSL concept is the M2 then expect an M4 CSL later, perhaps after an LCI?

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

M4 GTS to come first - limited production one off model that will likely have a fixed production amount ?

I don't see any limit on production of the M4 GTS. Production boils down to this: whoever has the money, and wants one, gets one. IMO, that applies until the CSL starts production. At which point, the M4 GTS goes away.

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

If the first CSL concept is the M2 ...

I do not see the M2 wearing the first CSL badge, because the car does not produce the best profit margin. The M4/M6, IMO, just makes BMW much more money than the M2. And for that reason, I would guess, those two will be first and second to carry the CSL badge. Once that initial "CSL excitement" money is harvested, then the M2 CSL will show up.
That's what my crystal ball sez.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by fuddman

I don't see any limit on production of the M4 GTS. Production boils down to this: whoever has the money, and wants one, gets one. IMO, that applies until the CSL starts production. At which point, the M4 GTS goes away.

I do not see the M2 wearing the first CSL badge, because the car does not produce the best profit margin. The M4/M6, IMO, just makes BMW much more money than the M2. And for that reason, I would guess, those two will be first and second to carry the CSL badge. Once that initial "CSL excitement" money is harvested, then the M2 CSL will show up.
That's what my crystal ball sez.

go CSL crazy....


LOL


M6 CSL ... $$$$$$ Drool ... Start with the motor from the M6GTR and go from there....

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by fuddman

I don't see any limit on production of the M4 GTS. Production boils down to this: whoever has the money, and wants one, gets one. IMO, that applies until the CSL starts production. At which point, the M4 GTS goes away.



I do not see the M2 wearing the first CSL badge, because the car does not produce the best profit margin. The M4/M6, IMO, just makes BMW much more money than the M2. And for that reason, I would guess, those two will be first and second to carry the CSL badge. Once that initial "CSL excitement" money is harvested, then the M2 CSL will show up.
That's what my crystal ball sez.

Well, CSL stands for "Coupe, Sport, Light", so using the heaviest M coupe, the M6, may not be the best thing to do. Unless they use the M6 GT3 race car, and base something off of that---a road going version. Kinda like how Ferrari made a connection to the 599XX and the 599 GTO. I said kinda.

The CSL concept would work for BMW's smallest or mid sized M coupe---the M2 and M4. But, here is the thing, would a M4 CSL weigh and cost less than a M4 GTS? Where do they fit with one another?
With the M2, you know that the CSL is the next step up.

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

......would a M4 CSL weigh and cost less than a M4 GTS? Where do they fit with one another?

The way I see it, the M4 GTS is a temporary car. It's, merely, filling in the time until the SOP of the M4 CSL. The CSL and the M4 GTS have no reason to exist together that I can see (Keep in mind, I'm just some dude out here). So, M4 GTS production will end with the SOP of an M4 CSL, IMO.
M4 CSL weigh less? Possibly. Cost less than the M4 GTS? - No freeking way! CSL cars will be loaded down with expensive BMW "Vision EfficientDynamics" gizmos.

[Disturbed]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

BMW likes to keep the M2 and M4 separate.


Agree with you that great patience is needed.

M4 GTS concept now
M2 rollout coming this fall/winter
M4 GTS on sale
M2 on sale - next spring
M4 LCI next summer
M2 GTS concept next fall ?

With the pieces of the M4 GTS SURLEY to be on par (or higher) than the M4 vert, I think BMW is nuts to charge $80k for it (loaded verts are 80-85k so GTS should be close to that). That's base Viper range. Maybe Mopar is nuts to charge so "little" for a hand build, hand painted exotic. For a weekend fun car when prices comes into play. EVEN IF the GTS drops another 50lbs and gains 75hp, it still wouldn't have the same track day weekend bang for the buck of a a viper.

640hp 600lb-ft NA V10 @ 3350lbs with a 6sp manual is > 425hp 410lb-ft @ 3300lbs. turbo 6 DCT.

[Karmic Man]

If I were in the States I would get a Viper no doubt...no actually I would get a 911GT3RS since they are so much cheaper there

The M4 GTS doesn't really appeal me too much since there is no racing history behind the engine.

The M4 DTM still uses the P66 4.0 V8....Put an NA V8 back into the GTS and I might look again.

[cc3]

Can't wait will be really special

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Please come to the U.S. !!!! Please come to the U.S.!!!! I will buy one right now!!!

[aajami]

Scott, any news of an F80 CRT?