[BMWinGE]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

errr....it won the category of 'best 1.8L to 2.0L engine"......hardly makes it famous or anything. LOL.

the N20's goal is to be efficient. it's not meant to be fun or interesting...it's meant to be efficient.

ridiculous statement. 0-60 in 5 sec range, 1 sec aster than previous gen 6 cyl and you claim it's only meant to be efficient. sorry dude, your credibilty just went out the window.

[Monterra]

An additional but not insignificant N20 issue I have is that it claims to be more efficient than it actually is. Look on fuelly- its mid to high 20s on avg- ie little to no better than the old I6 in the real world- albeit somewhat quicker when mashed. I was expecting to see much bigger efficiency gains with the detuned 320 but that doesn't seem to be happening for ppl either. To me this engine over promises and under delivers (in real world efficiency and overall refinement) which is glaring given how underrated, refined and efficient BMW mills have been through the years. NA I6 will be sorely missed- I always and still believe the hipo version and a better suspension would have made the 130i the perfect BMW. As I'm faced with the reality of that never happening maybe its time to get to work and make my 128 into a 130 approximation and just live in old school happy days.

[jzcrna]

I think I would be kicking myself if I went with the 228i. I don't think that I would save all that much money, especially by loading it out and the main thing I miss about my E90 and E60 is performance. I think that you can easily get bored with the creature comforts, but never get bored with the driving experience. The driving experience never gets outdated

[Monterra]

^^Eureka!

[Lucky13]

So my E93 335 manual is rated 0-60 5.5 seconds according to BMW and weighs almost 4,000 lbs and a 228 is 5.4 seconds and even in convertible trim will be under 3,500 so what performance am I giving up?

[Monterra]

Not a turbo hater but I am a hater of turboed engines without enough balls to stand alone on their feet relying way too much on boost- that is at the heart of why I hate the N20 and I'm sure lends to why real world consumption data has been less than stellar- particularly in the heavier applications.

[jzcrna]

Its not only performance, but active steering, adaptive suspension, tuned exhaust, staggered setup that sweeten the m235i deal.

[Lucky13]

I owned about 6-7 BMW's with the 3.0 NA engine and I could give a shit about the sound. The N20 will blow the doors off the old 3.0, it had no torque. It was a dog until it hit at least 3,000 rpms. The 228 will be almost a second faster than the 128 with a manual, end of story.

[Monterra]

Having to work the NA I6 through the rev range with a manual transmission is where its at for me- yeah it could use a little more bottom end I won't fight you there but I've come to realize there's more to driving than 0-60 and I'd like to see a stock 228i 6MT run 4.9s- ain't gonna happen.

[Lucky13]

I'm not arguing about the M235, I may still buy one. My arguments are with the idiots on here that have no facts are sat the N20 is a crap engine. I own a N54 so I know how good the M235 will be but I can get 90% of the performance for 80% of the price. I don't race other cars and I don't track cars so some of the things the M235 have don't mean anything to me. I wish they hadn't made Nav standard, I'd rather have leather. I priced out a 228 convertible vs a M235 convertible using $3,000 for the M Sport and still came up with a $6,700 difference. About $47,500 vs $54,200 using a 128 conv and 135is conv as the base. No argument on the engine being better it's that I don't need or care about some of what the M235 has. I would have preferred a 235 convertible option coming from a E93 335. I had E46 M3 coupes and convertibles and I know there is no comparison in handling between the coupe and convertible. I'd rather get the lightweight option that doesn't have things I won't use. Now if the M235 manual was 4.6 0-60 I couldn't get my wallet out fast enough.

[jzcrna]

Originally Posted by Lucky13

I'm not arguing about the M235, I may still buy one. My arguments are with the idiots on here that have no facts are sat the N20 is a crap engine. I own a N54 so I know how good the M235 will be but I can get 90% of the performance for 80% of the price. I don't race other cars and I don't track cars so some of the things the M235 have don't mean anything to me. I wish they hadn't made Nav standard, I'd rather have leather. I priced out a 228 convertible vs a M235 convertible using $3,000 for the M Sport and still came up with a $6,700 difference. About $47,500 vs $54,200 using a 128 conv and 135is conv as the base. No argument on the engine being better it's that I don't need or care about some of what the M235 has. I would have preferred a 235 convertible option coming from a E93 335. I had E46 M3 coupes and convertibles and I know there is no comparison in handling between the coupe and convertible. I'd rather get the lightweight option that doesn't have things I won't use. Now if the M235 manual was 4.6 0-60 I couldn't get my wallet out fast enough.

What do you mean Nav is standard?

[Monterra]

N20 isn't crap its just lacking refinement and linearity that many look for when spending 40-50k on a near luxury car. 1M ran about 4.4-4.5 so 4.6-4.7 is likely where you'll see the M235i coupe test out at, I'd get your wallet ready

[speeddeacon]

I'd be fine with the 228i if the M235 didn't exist. Will probably say the same thing about the M235 if the M2 actually exists.

[BMWinGE]

During Motor Trend Car of the Year testing, they clocked the 428i at 5.2 seconds 0-60. They claimed "The 428i feels the sweeter of the two. You're aware of the extra weight of the six-cylinder engine over the front wheels. The 435i pushes more at the limit, and the steering feels a tad heavier."

I would imagine the 228i would perform even better. It will be interesting to price out a 228i M Sport in comparison to the M235i, might not be as easy as a choice as you may think.

[Monterra]

Originally Posted by BMWinGE

During Motor Trend Car of the Year testing, they clocked the 428i at 5.2 seconds 0-60. They claimed "The 428i feels the sweeter of the two. You're aware of the extra weight of the six-cylinder engine over the front wheels. The 435i pushes more at the limit, and the steering feels a tad heavier."

I would imagine the 228i would perform even better. It will be interesting to price out a 228i M Sport in comparison to the M235i, might not be as easy as a choice as you may think.

I just read this and was pretty shocked with their 5.2 to 60 run (just .4 behind the 35 to 60 and surprisingly that gap didn't widen in the 1320) and that they actually preferred it to the 35. 228i will be performance bang for $ option, no doubt there and as you say the 35i may not be a lay up decision with the 228 cracking off 5 flat to 60 (guessing) and having an overall but more importantly front end weight advantage.

[jzcrna]

Originally Posted by BMWinGE

During Motor Trend Car of the Year testing, they clocked the 428i at 5.2 seconds 0-60. They claimed "The 428i feels the sweeter of the two. You're aware of the extra weight of the six-cylinder engine over the front wheels. The 435i pushes more at the limit, and the steering feels a tad heavier."

I would imagine the 228i would perform even better. It will be interesting to price out a 228i M Sport in comparison to the M235i, might not be as easy as a choice as you may think.

"Bespoke chassis tuning for maximum precision.

In order to translate this outstanding engine power into dynamic performance with an equal measure of excitement and authority, the B M23 Coupe features model-specific chassis technology. This includes individually configured spring and damper systems, and specific elastokinematics for the front axle. Added to which, the BMW M235i Coupe comes as standard with the M Sport braking system and variable sport steering, which determines its own characteristics."

In reference to the extra weight of the six, I think that they have accounted for this with the spring and damper systems and suspension tweaks. (I'm no mechanic, but this was probably taken into consideration)

however, If the 228i doesn't cost a fortune with a couple options it will be a great buy.

[Lucky13]

Originally Posted by jzcrna

What do you mean Nav is standard?

One of the spec sheets for the M235 said standard navigation. Whether this is accurate or not I don't know but I thought it was very strange. I'll go back and try and find where I saw it.

[Powaup]

I hate "luxury" stripper cars and the way new cars look without nav in general. but thats subjective, if it does'nt bother you get the 235

[Powaup]

Originally Posted by Lucky13

One of the spec sheets for the M235 said standard navigation. Whether this is accurate or not I don't know but I thought it was very strange. I'll go back and try and find where I saw it.

interesting. would that mean tech package would be standard as well? man I really wish HUD was offered for this car

[Lucky13]

I couldn't find the nav information on this site so it must have been during a Google search of other sites, probably bad information. I am more excited about a 228 now after reading the Motor Trend article. Where's the dude on here that called the N20 an economy engine?

[maxdriver]

I like the new 4-turbo. The N55 is an incredible engine, but I could easily get by with less horsepower. The N55 has so much power you are limited in when you can both wind the gears out and row through the gearbox....!

I'm also used to NA engines with a lot less torque....