New 2 Series Gran Coupe rumors? [Updated with first spy photos]

ynotony · 05-29-2015, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

SO many E36M3/4 and E46 zhp sedan folks that are like this.

Yea and I'm one of them.

Blubaron79 · 05-29-2015, 01:25 PM

Whatever it will be; it will be WAY better than the CLA.

ilikebmxbikes · 05-29-2015, 01:27 PM

I will buy an M2 GTC if it comes out.

challer · 05-29-2015, 01:36 PM

I'd buy a M2 Gran Coupe in a heartbeat.

W/// · 05-29-2015, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by raisingAnarchy

Honestly I'd probably buy that too. Sounds like an awesome concept actually haha. It'd be like an upscale Impreza Hatch except rear-drive.

Oh absolutely. That would be such an awesome concept. Make it a 6MT and I'd never ask for anything ever again!

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Originally Posted by MThree_driver

They're going to have to do something with the 2-GC to differentiate it from the 320/328. Either make it (dare I say) fwd, or not put some features in it. Otherwise there goes the 320 sales..and an m235 GC would be a much better value than a 328

Well there are things that already differentiate the M235i from an 435i. Smaller car, less options available (HUD and LED for example) ect ect... I think there's def room for an 2er GC.

Better yet, they could just skip all that if they want and just bring me the LCI 1er hatchback.

left123 · 05-29-2015, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MThree_driver

They're going to have to do something with the 2-GC to differentiate it from the 320/328. Either make it (dare I say) fwd, or not put some features in it. Otherwise there goes the 320 sales..and an m235 GC would be a much better value than a 328

Honestly the 320i is for people who don't really care about BMW other than name. I think the 2GC though would appeal to us enthusiasts and that is a definite market. Plus they could sell some stripped out models for, like they said, lower end luxury leases.

I see a business case for both even if they overlap, as others have said.

spuntyb · 05-29-2015, 02:20 PM

Please give us more wagons first BMW. Thanks.

The D.A. · 05-29-2015, 02:41 PM

I don't understand why they would make a grand coupé when that would just make it a 3 series with a different front end??? Disappointing

SCOTT26 · 05-29-2015, 03:09 PM

The project has been re-instated by the new CEO.

ynotony · 05-29-2015, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The D.A.

I don't understand why they would make a grand coupé when that would just make it a 3 series with a different front end??? Disappointing

You must be confusing the 2 series for the 4 series. The 2 series is a much smaller car than the 3 series, so making a 4 door version would not be the same as making a 3 series with a different front end.

A four door 2 series would be smaller than a 3, which is smaller than a 5, which is smaller than the 7. Technically the 1 series sedan is the same size as a 2 series, but that is FWD so not comparable.

M3 Adjuster · 05-29-2015, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MCarsFan

The 4 and 6 series GC are awesome but a 2 series opens up the sub compact class I didn't envision. Think the 235i is a fantastic DD. I trust this doesn't take away from other model lines and reduce profitability.

Apparently BMW AG couldn't envision this either LOL , and it's Really a shame actually.
Not that you couldn't envision this , but BMW sure should have, after the success they had in the compact segment with the E30, E36 and E46.

Somehow every other automaker figured out how to slot cars in under their bread and butter vehicles except BMW AG.

Honda moved the accord and the civic upmarket but has brought in the Fit for example.

BMW actually did manage to do this with the X lineup.. bringing in the X1 and moving the X3 and X5 up in size..

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Originally Posted by MegaMatt3

Also on Jalopnik: http://carbuying.jalopnik.com/bmw-re...e-o-1707655160

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In a move that should surprise no one, BMW reportedly is building a Gran Coupe version of the 2-series. For those of you not familiar with BMWs ridiculous naming scheme, when they add Gran in front of Coupe, it means two extra doors. This might be their best idea yet.

BMW Chief Development Officer Klaus Frhlich is advocating for a rear-wheel-drive sedan based on the already-popular 2-series coupe and convertible to take on the new compact offerings from Mercedes and Audi, according to Auto Motor und Sport.

Unlike the odd niche segment vehicles like the X4 SAV and whatever the hell those GT hatchback things are, a four-door 2-series makes perfect sense. Mercedes sold 26,000 CLA units in 2014 and Audi managed to move over 22,000 A3s last year, according to GoodCarBadCar.net, which tracks auto sales figures. On average, these luxury compact sedans sell at double the rate of the BMWs 2-series per month. These smaller cars are key opportunities to capture that incredibly lucrative entry level lease market.

We all know the 2-series is awesome, and its base price of $31,200 makes it accessible for a lot of buyers. Fun fact, BMW actually charges you less for the Gran Coupe version of the 4-series cars. So maybe the 2-series GC would be even more affordable than the 2-door.

The only reason why BMW may hold-back a 2-series GC is that pricing might overlap with the 320i that starts at $32,950. However, given the popularity of BMWs in the US, I would imagine there is a business case to be made for both. If the four-door 2-series does happen, it would logically follow that BMW could field an M2 CG to go toe-to-toe with the CLA and the S3.

The fact that Mercedes has been selling the crap out of those ugly CLAs

just makes me...

B39 B58 · 05-29-2015, 03:15 PM

Yeah seriously BMW--stop with all the new models!!

... right after you release the rwd M235i gran coupe. I'd definitely get one when I'm ready to say goodbye to my e90. The current 3 series is too big for someone who wants 4 doors but only has backseat passengers once a month.

M3 Adjuster · 05-29-2015, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SF Space Grey

Yeah seriously BMW--stop with all the new models!!

... right after you release the rwd M235i gran coupe. I'd definitely get one when I'm ready to say goodbye to my e90. The current 3 series is too big for someone who wants 4 doors but only has backseat passengers once a month.

LOL

hyperzulu · 05-29-2015, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The project has been re-instated by the new CEO.

brad850csi · 05-29-2015, 03:26 PM

Will it ride on a longer wheelbase I wonder though? The proportions and door sizes may look a little funny if on the current platform and BMW try and get some head room for the rear passengers!

M3 Adjuster · 05-29-2015, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by left123

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Originally Posted by MThree_driver

They're going to have to do something with the 2-GC to differentiate it from the 320/328. Either make it (dare I say) fwd, or not put some features in it. Otherwise there goes the 320 sales..and an m235 GC would be a much better value than a 328

Honestly the 320i is for people who don't really care about BMW other than name. I think the 2GC though would appeal to us enthusiasts and that is a definite market. Plus they could sell some stripped out models for, like they said, lower end luxury leases.

I see a business case for both even if they overlap, as others have said.

Actually you've got it wrong. it's the other way around. don't Disparage 320 buyers..

the 320 *exists* only because BMW is all about keeping the crown for the midsize sport(y) sedan market in sales (3/4 vs C class vs Audi )

They never thought of a 2 series gran coupe because they so focused on, and thought they might lose some 3/4 sales.
When the competition got close last year.. they hurried up a 320 to market to boost sales with some cheap lease prices.

Don't blame buyers ... they just were looking for a compact sedan from BMW that ain't 50K.

That car should have been on the lot for those buyers.. .... in the form of a 1 series sedan.. or 2 series gran coupe...

The buyers that didn't bite on the 320, or... more importantly.. the part that BMW forgot.. BUYERS THAT WANT A COMPACT SEDAN, are now driving CLAs and Audi models that competitors brought out by reintroducing the compact sedan segment that BMW dominated with the E30, E36 and E46.

ska///235i · 05-29-2015, 03:41 PM

Im in a 4gc now and the interior is tight...2gc will be tighter so I dont think it will sell in the states

aajami · 05-29-2015, 03:45 PM

Please, for the love of God, make a RWD 2-series GC...

...and then make an M version of it.

aajami · 05-29-2015, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The project has been re-instated by the new CEO.

This car should have been in development 5 years ago and on the road today.

__saullizano · 05-29-2015, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

And this is a problem for whom?

The dealers don't have enough floor space to display a representative sample of all the different models and possible colors. If you buy off the lot, your choices for color and options are going to be limited. If you want something other than black/white/silver with the standard package, you are most likely going to have to order. Most people want to see the car before they buy to be sure the color is right for them and for the car.

They'll build bigger dealerships lol

Ramos · 05-29-2015, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The project has been re-instated by the new CEO.

That's great news but can you comment on whether this car would be FWD or RWD?

M3 Adjuster · 05-29-2015, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver1

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Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

And this is a problem for whom?

The dealers don't have enough floor space to display a representative sample of all the different models and possible colors. If you buy off the lot, your choices for color and options are going to be limited. If you want something other than black/white/silver with the standard package, you are most likely going to have to order. Most people want to see the car before they buy to be sure the color is right for them and for the car.

So are you a small dealer employee or something ?

When i lived in Lafayette Indiana, 16 years ago, the local dealer didn't stock the full lineup when BMW had a total of about 8 models and didn't even make SAVS.

That same dealer is still there with the same limited floor space.

I could care less about an individual dealer issue. Dealers come in different sizes.

All the Bmw dealerships in DFW have plenty of room for cars. Perhaps not in the showroom but certainly on the lot.

This is hardly a reason to deny customers the vehicle they want. And if Bmw doesn't come out with additional models, they are only going to lose money to their competitors ( see CLA)

Your argument is a TOTAL FAIL.

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