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View Poll Results: What is your engine of choice for the upcoming M2?
i4, and I won't buy an M2 otherwise 14 2.75%
I4, but I don't really care either way and I would consider an M2 regardless 70 13.73%
I6, but I don't really care either way and I would consider an M2 regardless 124 24.31%
I6 only for me. I ain't buying an M2 with anything else 302 59.22%
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      06-22-2013, 12:49 PM   #221
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Since BMW used the Z4 engine for the 1M, I looked for articles on the next gen Z4 for clues as to an engine that might be a candidate for the M2.

2/11/2013 Left lane News reported that BMW was developing a "new V6 hybrid system for the Z4 that will generate 400hp."

That would give the M3/M4 some competition but so be it. When the e46 M3 debuted in 2001 it was quicker than the existing M5 and most everyone doubted BMW would ever do that.

I am not familiar with Leftlane news so I do not know if they engage in wild speculation. I read all the posts on this thread and didn't see this hybrid mentioned. I assume this would address the mpg standards.

I like the idea but I hope the M engineers give it a final tweaking before it gets the M Power designation.
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      06-22-2013, 10:43 PM   #222
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Since BMW used the Z4 engine for the 1M, I looked for articles on the next gen Z4 for clues as to an engine that might be a candidate for the M2.
While that might have been true for the 1M, you have to keep in mind the climate in which the 1M was developed. The 1M was a one-off car. It was an experiment within BMW. Many were surprised that the car made it to market. The took suspension parts from the M3 and an engine from the Z4 because they were working on a very tight timeline, and without a dedicated engineering effort dedicated to distinct components for the car. I don't think anyone expects the M2 to follow the same pattern.
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      07-16-2013, 07:48 PM   #223
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Hmm, after seeing all these new I4 cars like the Merc CLA 45 AMG with that much horsepower and torque, I wish I could change my answer to preferring an I6 because of the natural balance of the engine, but I'd be happy with a screaming I4 turbo if it had enough horses.

Instead, I voted I6 only.
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      07-18-2013, 04:19 AM   #224
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Watch the movie with Chris Harris M135i vs A45 Amg

6 inline For me.

A 4 cil with so much horse power like the merc need also a lot more maintance. A 6 cilinder does it with more ease. And i think with less turbo lag also.
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      07-19-2013, 06:20 PM   #225
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So I guess this discussion and poll is over after the interview with Head of M Division: no 4 cylinder in the near future.

He also refrain from confirming the M2 again, just used the words that he would love to produce that car etc. I have a feeling that they will not confirm anything officially before the launch of M3/M4, just to keep all potential clients focused on one model.

Also, they will probably like to see how well 2 series and its Performance goodies be received by the public first.
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      07-24-2013, 02:37 PM   #226
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So I guess this discussion and poll is over after the interview with Head of M Division: no 4 cylinder in the near future.

He also refrain from confirming the M2 again, just used the words that he would love to produce that car etc. I have a feeling that they will not confirm anything officially before the launch of M3/M4, just to keep all potential clients focused on one model.

Also, they will probably like to see how well 2 series and its Performance goodies be received by the public first.
I wouldn't be so sure, he also said no M2 in the near future so I would say the 4cyl option is not out just yet
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      07-25-2013, 03:34 PM   #227
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It's got to be a RWD Turbo 6 and it's got to get over the CLA45s power rating

They've also got to consider price carefully. The 1M (here) was priced about 10% more than the CLA45 is currently selling and that was a couple of years back. BMW will want a premium for the M2 but I doubt people will pay much more than they did for the 1M even if they tick the boxes I mentioned earlier

Anything less and BMW will continue to hemorrhage customers to Merc. They've really got BMW by the short and curlys atm
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      07-25-2013, 04:01 PM   #228
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It's got to be a RWD Turbo 6 and it's got to get over the CLA45s power rating

They've also got to consider price carefully. The 1M (here) was priced about 10% more than the CLA45 is currently selling and that was a couple of years back. BMW will want a premium for the M2 but I doubt people will pay much more than they did for the 1M even if they tick the boxes I mentioned earlier

Anything less and BMW will continue to hemorrhage customers to Merc. They've really got BMW by the short and curlys atm
BMW outsold MB globally for the first time last year and has led them all of this year.
The 1M sold out in the US nearly instantaneously and sold out globally even with an additional production run over the initial 2500.
The CLA45 is a fwd based four cylinder with Haldex.

I think BMW has very nearly covered the A45/CLA45 with the Mx35i cars, so that leaves the M2 to be a different animal. A light weight, better balanced car appeals to me more than an M235.5 or an M4 Lite.
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      07-26-2013, 07:17 AM   #229
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I think BMW has very nearly covered the A45/CLA45 with the Mx35i cars, so that leaves the M2 to be a different animal. A light weight, better balanced car appeals to me more than an M235.5 or an M4 Lite.
Do you really think the M135 has the CLA45 covered? Its much slower and deeply unattractive. I wouldn't purchase this car on looks alone but when you consider the performance, these cars are in different divisions altogether.

Perhaps the M235 will step things up. Certainly in the looks department the images I've seen are a great improvement but I doubt we're going to see performance to match the CLA45.

The M2 is completely unknown at this point but like you I'm hoping for a lightweight RWD car and as I stated previously this car has to be 6 cyl and has to compete KW for KW with the CLA45. If we're talking a seriously lightweight M2 than I'll make an allowance if it's got it on PWR but we haven't even started talking price yet

1M was 100k here and the M2 will probably come in at 120k with a massive list of options. CLA45 is 86k and just about every option box is already ticked, plus it beats the 1M on PWR.

Like I said in the previous post. BMW have some work to do here.........
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      08-18-2013, 01:12 AM   #230
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it's going to be a 4 banger. the M3 is shrinking from an 8 to a 6....the 2 will shrink from a 6 to a 4. the focus of the M2 will be on lightness and agility....not on power.

get an E82 while you can if you want a turbo 6!
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      08-18-2013, 04:24 PM   #231
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it's going to be a 4 banger. the M3 is shrinking from an 8 to a 6....the 2 will shrink from a 6 to a 4. the focus of the M2 will be on lightness and agility....not on power.

get an E82 while you can if you want a turbo 6!
Or get an M235 F22
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      08-19-2013, 05:49 AM   #232
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it's going to be a 4 banger. the M3 is shrinking from an 8 to a 6....the 2 will shrink from a 6 to a 4. the focus of the M2 will be on lightness and agility....not on power.

get an E82 while you can if you want a turbo 6!
Or get an M235 F22
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not available right now....or anytime til MAYBE next year...if not further away.
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      08-19-2013, 06:17 AM   #233
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not available right now....or anytime til MAYBE next year...if not further away.
It starts production in 3 months........ so 5 months tops until they land on our shores......
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      08-19-2013, 07:14 AM   #234
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poll needs another choice: 2.5ltr. inline 5 based on the new "b" architecture. i just don't think that 2.0ltrs. is enough in the milieu of the 135/235/1m while on the other hand 3.0ltrs. encroaches on the m3/m4 notwithstanding different states of tune. a high output 2.5 would easily distance itself from the mainstream 3ltr. mills while not threatening the m3/m4.
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      08-19-2013, 08:25 AM   #235
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not available right now....or anytime til MAYBE next year...if not further away.
Man, your credibility in these speculation threads is headed for the toilet with comments like these. The M235i unveiling is coming in the fall, and it will definitely have an I6 w/turbocharger. The M2 is the car that is up in the air right now. We have very little to go on.

Trying not to be too harsh here, but what you're saying doesn't make sense based on what we know. Hope you won't take offense
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I6 and I won't take anything else. It has an M badge on it. It shouldn't be an I4.
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I am thinking that BMW will wait to see how the M235 is received and go from there...

I think the two are really different animals--the M235 is going to be a little more comfortable, a little slower, and probably a little heavier.

The M2, if they build it, should be savage. This is where BMW can leave a lot of shit off the options list (like the 1M) to keep the price comparable to a loaded M235.

Savage is savage--I think you can create that with a I4 that revs like crazy or an I6 that's more highly strung than the current N54/N55 platforms. Either way you can have a winner.

Then you pick fast and comfortable VS. savage. Good choice if they don't eff it up...
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I6 and I won't take anything else. It has an M badge on it. It shouldn't be an I4.
Damn, I have been living my whole life thinking that the E30 M3 was the benchmark M-car. I guess I have been living a lie.
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I6 and I won't take anything else. It has an M badge on it. It shouldn't be an I4.
Damn, I have been living my whole life thinking that the E30 M3 was the benchmark M-car. I guess I have been living a lie.
An m car of today shouldn't be. Plus it weighs 3k and the e30 did not.
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If I want a lightweight car with a 4cyl I will buy a BRZ when you buy a BMW you pay a major premium and for that I want those extra 2cyl. The car might weight 50-100lbs more but for everyday driving, for the sound, for the smouthness, for the extra hp and torque and for the feeling I still want the extra cyl. They can look somewhere else than the engine to reduce the weight i.e: carbon fiber parts or lighter brake and many other option.
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I Know It's A Beamer, not A Bimmer, and I am here for an M2, but

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While I agree that a lighter car does not need to have the same HP target, I think for competitive reasons, BMW are bound by a few things in terms of the HP numbers for the M2:
  1. The M2 cannot have less HP than the M235 or the 1M
  2. The M2 has to be competitive with the CLA AMG 45 and the RS3, not neccesarily match them, but at least be in the ball park

For these reasons, I don't think that 300 HP will do regardless of weight, I think they have to be targeting the 340-350 range.

Speaking of the CLA AMG 45, does that car really have the highest specific output of any production car ever?
The current champ is the Porsche 911 GT2 RS pushing 620 HP from 3600 CC which puts it at 172.2 HP per liter. If the speculation about the Merc having 360 HP from a 2.0 I4 is true, that would put it at 180 HP per liter !!
Is that for real? How insane is that

I believe a stock BMW S1000RR makes 193 HP our of 999cc, no doors, no roof, no turbo lag, no waiting! How insane is that!
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BMW should pull their head's out of their ass and offer us at least 1 naturally aspirated old school M car.

The M2 would be the perfect spot to stick a modern interpretation of the S54. I6, high revving, naturally aspirated. But alas it would cost too much since they could no longer share as much of the M engine with the non-M engines for cost savings.
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