Gear indicator

David.m · 05-16-2023, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Enabled

So we left off at OG M2 settings which don't work the same as on M2C. This can be either due to flash update requirement for the instrument cluster or a 3rd and yet-to-be-discovered settings is needed for OG M2.

We'll be finding out, I have a couple approaches for it.

In the meantime if anyone wants to try it on S55, I can help. I may have to post this in the M2C section as well. (Honestly the 2 M2 sections should be combined to one and the N55 and S55 sections should be the one for engine differences.)

There is an update for the LCI dash (even with mine having been dealer updated December 2018 to iStep F020-18-11-531, was done for the dash fault recall). So happens i've just had some updates done trying to improve TPMS for track and he did other unrelated updates one being the dash, I'm now iStep F020-22-03-522.
Just looking at the post above, OG LCI doesn't have the option to tick 'Shift Point Indicator', it on full-time (I turn off the efficiency stuff).

edit: I just tried Enabled's coding using Bimmercode and got same result as samsamdar, the box/gear suggester disappeared altogether.

Enabled · 05-16-2023, 09:45 AM

I connected to samsamdar's car yesterday and have some info and tester data we'll be looking to try.

His cluster was actually on a newer firmware than mine. Same firmware ID as M2C, so this will likely be possible, pending some tests that I have planned.

Enabled · 05-16-2023, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Fred Conoway

Coded mine today for my M2C and it works flawlessly; thanks for figuring this one out!

Couple notes to add:
- Coded it exactly as mentioned
- Did not turn on the "shift point indicator" in the iDrive settings; didn't want to risk touching it
- M sport displays for the steering and drivetrain still function normally for those that would rather have that display than the consumption meter

Excellent news. Checking or unchecking the box makes no difference. It's forced on.

Well there's a small bit of hope that it would not be the firmware revision!

F87source · 05-16-2023, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enabled

I connected to samsamdar's car yesterday and have some info and tester data we'll be looking to try.

His cluster was actually on a newer firmware than mine. Same firmware ID as M2C, so this will likely be possible, pending some tests that I have planned.

Any idea if this will ever work on the OG m2 (pre LCI grey back ground cluster)?

Enabled · 05-16-2023, 11:10 AM

I don't see why it wouldn't honestly. The clusters can show gear number just fine, but it'll be a combination of settings that tells the cluster where to get the data for it.

You can bet I'll be trying to figure it out on the pre LCI cluster too.

Then the other lingering question would be is if the M3/M4 is more like the OG M2 (needing a bit more of something) or the M2C/S for it to work.

(K) · 05-16-2023, 02:17 PM

Enabled you are a coding madman!

Just confirming that your coding parameters worked on my 2021 M2C. Thank you (and all involved) for going through the process and figuring this out.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19qE...w?usp=drivesdk

It's a nifty feature, much better than the (useless) factory function of suggested gear.

Enabled · 05-16-2023, 03:19 PM

Your gif is even cooler. Love it

chris719 · 05-16-2023, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enabled

I don't see why it wouldn't honestly. The clusters can show gear number just fine, but it'll be a combination of settings that tells the cluster where to get the data for it.

You can bet I'll be trying to figure it out on the pre LCI cluster too.

Then the other lingering question would be is if the M3/M4 is more like the OG M2 (needing a bit more of something) or the M2C/S for it to work.

I thought the M3/M4 already shows you the current gear along with the suggested gear. Could be wrong though.

Enabled · 05-16-2023, 06:23 PM

Well we confirmed that it's not related to any instrument cluster differences in OG M2, I just coded the cluster to full M2C, and made those changes, it still didn't show it. Sigh

I'm guessing the data stream is just slightly different from the DME to the cluster. The gear position sensor from transmission to DME is the same part number, so it's not that.

F87source · 05-16-2023, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enabled

Well we confirmed that it's not related to any instrument cluster differences in OG M2, I just coded the cluster to full M2C, and made those changes, it still didn't show it. Sigh

I'm guessing the data stream is just slightly different from the DME to the cluster. The gear position sensor from transmission to DME is the same part number, so it's not that.

Hopefully you can get it, but good work so far man!

Enabled · 05-19-2023, 11:01 AM

Yesterday I noticed with the changes I described on page 2 that if you check the box for Shift point indicator on, it will show a completely new and improved gear suggestion method. (M2C / M2CS only for now. Still working on OG M2).

It's completely beyond me why it wasn't like this from factory.

Kran1um · 05-19-2023, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enabled

Yesterday I noticed with the changes I described on page 2 that if you check the box for Shift point indicator on, it will show a completely new and improved gear suggestion method. (M2C / M2CS only for now. Still working on OG M2).

It's completely beyond me why it wasn't like this from factory.

This is like my old car and I would prefer it to the stock readout.

To confirm, there would be 3 changes to get to a display like this? SPA_ENABLE,
SPA_IST_GANG_ENABLE, and Shift point indicator?

Enabled · 05-19-2023, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kran1um

This is like my old car and I would prefer it to the stock readout.

To confirm, there would be 3 changes to get to a display like this? SPA_ENABLE,
SPA_IST_GANG_ENABLE, and Shift point indicator?

Yes, this is correct. Actually 2 coding changes and then via idrive:

-Shift point indicator checked on shows current gear and suggested gear smaller
-Shift point indicator checked off shows just current gear and that's it

Enabled · 05-19-2023, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kran1um

This is like my old car and I would prefer it to the stock readout.

To confirm, there would be 3 changes to get to a display like this? SPA_ENABLE,
SPA_IST_GANG_ENABLE, and Shift point indicator?

What was your previous car?

Kran1um · 05-19-2023, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enabled

Yes, this is correct. Actually 2 coding changes and then via idrive:

-Shift point indicator checked on shows current gear and suggested gear smaller
-Shift point indicator checked off shows just current gear and that's it

Awesome, I'll have to give this a try tomorrow!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enabled

What was your previous car?

A Focus ST. The M2 is my first BMW but it is pretty wild how many quality of life things are missing from it (android auto) compared to a 5year older Ford :-P

chris719 · 05-19-2023, 01:20 PM

I think the F8x cluster shows it like that too if I’m not mistaken.

Possibly relevant thread:
https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1058837

Enabled · 05-19-2023, 02:06 PM

It seems a bit of a hit an miss on F80/82/83 according to that thread too. But yea, something isn't sending the same type of data from the N55 DME for it to work like the S55 dme gear data. I need to look through the tune and define it further to see why.

jefe2000 · 05-19-2023, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enabled

Yesterday I noticed with the changes I described on page 2 that if you check the box for Shift point indicator on, it will show a completely new and improved gear suggestion method. (M2C / M2CS only for now. Still working on OG M2).

It's completely beyond me why it wasn't like this from factory.

I dunno, seems off to me — or I’m misinterpreting the photo. Shifting from 3rd to 5th at 27 mph and ~1800 RPM doesn’t seem right.

(K) · 05-19-2023, 03:06 PM

I believe it's just the factory recommendation for "best gear" (which we all know is comically optimistic). The coding doesn't change the recommended gear parameters, it just displays them along with current gear.

Kran1um · 05-19-2023, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by (K)

I believe it's just the factory recommendation for "best gear" (which we all know is comically optimistic). The coding doesn't change the recommended gear parameters, it just displays them along with current gear.

Yeah I assume it is purely for economy suggestions and not at all for anything sporty.

Enabled · 05-19-2023, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jefe2000

I dunno, seems off to me — or I’m misinterpreting the photo. Shifting from 3rd to 5th at 27 mph and ~1800 RPM doesn’t seem right.

I can easily change the recommendation gear and rpm in the tune (it's different in efficient/eco vs. sport), but my comment was more about the delivery and display of the recommended gear.

chris719 · 05-19-2023, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enabled

I can easily change the recommendation gear and rpm in the tune (it's different in efficient/eco vs. sport), but my comment was more about the delivery and display of the recommended gear.

Do you think there's a way to change the car's default modes on startup? It drives me nuts that the M2C starts with steering in Sport.

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Enabled Lieutenant Colonel 1410 Rep 1,803 Posts Drives: 328xd Wagon, M2 Competition Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Houston iTrader: (0)	I connected to samsamdar's car yesterday and have some info and tester data we'll be looking to try. His cluster was actually on a newer firmware than mine. Same firmware ID as M2C, so this will likely be possible, pending some tests that I have planned. __________________ -2014 328d Wagon, 8HP. Self-tuned, 270hp/430ft-lbs. -2019 M2 Competition MT, Alpine White. Self-tuned 560hp -2016 Mini Cooper S, MT. Many plans. Others: -E36 328is. 2000 Z3 Roady. 2003 VW Jetta TDI Manual. Estoril Z3M Coupe.
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Enabled Lieutenant Colonel 1410 Rep 1,803 Posts Drives: 328xd Wagon, M2 Competition Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Houston iTrader: (0)	I don't see why it wouldn't honestly. The clusters can show gear number just fine, but it'll be a combination of settings that tells the cluster where to get the data for it. You can bet I'll be trying to figure it out on the pre LCI cluster too. Then the other lingering question would be is if the M3/M4 is more like the OG M2 (needing a bit more of something) or the M2C/S for it to work. __________________ -2014 328d Wagon, 8HP. Self-tuned, 270hp/430ft-lbs. -2019 M2 Competition MT, Alpine White. Self-tuned 560hp -2016 Mini Cooper S, MT. Many plans. Others: -E36 328is. 2000 Z3 Roady. 2003 VW Jetta TDI Manual. Estoril Z3M Coupe.
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Enabled Lieutenant Colonel 1410 Rep 1,803 Posts Drives: 328xd Wagon, M2 Competition Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Houston iTrader: (0)	Well we confirmed that it's not related to any instrument cluster differences in OG M2, I just coded the cluster to full M2C, and made those changes, it still didn't show it. Sigh I'm guessing the data stream is just slightly different from the DME to the cluster. The gear position sensor from transmission to DME is the same part number, so it's not that. __________________ -2014 328d Wagon, 8HP. Self-tuned, 270hp/430ft-lbs. -2019 M2 Competition MT, Alpine White. Self-tuned 560hp -2016 Mini Cooper S, MT. Many plans. Others: -E36 328is. 2000 Z3 Roady. 2003 VW Jetta TDI Manual. Estoril Z3M Coupe.
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05-19-2023, 11:01 AM	#77
Enabled Lieutenant Colonel 1410 Rep 1,803 Posts Drives: 328xd Wagon, M2 Competition Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Houston iTrader: (0)	Yesterday I noticed with the changes I described on page 2 that if you check the box for Shift point indicator on, it will show a completely new and improved gear suggestion method. (M2C / M2CS only for now. Still working on OG M2). It's completely beyond me why it wasn't like this from factory. Attached Images __________________ -2014 328d Wagon, 8HP. Self-tuned, 270hp/430ft-lbs. -2019 M2 Competition MT, Alpine White. Self-tuned 560hp -2016 Mini Cooper S, MT. Many plans. Others: -E36 328is. 2000 Z3 Roady. 2003 VW Jetta TDI Manual. Estoril Z3M Coupe.
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chris719 Major General 7334 Rep 7,298 Posts Drives: '08 M Roadster Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NJ iTrader: (0)	I think the F8x cluster shows it like that too if I’m not mistaken. Possibly relevant thread: https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1058837
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Enabled Lieutenant Colonel 1410 Rep 1,803 Posts Drives: 328xd Wagon, M2 Competition Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Houston iTrader: (0)	It seems a bit of a hit an miss on F80/82/83 according to that thread too. But yea, something isn't sending the same type of data from the N55 DME for it to work like the S55 dme gear data. I need to look through the tune and define it further to see why. __________________ -2014 328d Wagon, 8HP. Self-tuned, 270hp/430ft-lbs. -2019 M2 Competition MT, Alpine White. Self-tuned 560hp -2016 Mini Cooper S, MT. Many plans. Others: -E36 328is. 2000 Z3 Roady. 2003 VW Jetta TDI Manual. Estoril Z3M Coupe.
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(K) Captain 1278 Rep 837 Posts Drives: '21 M2C 6MT (R.I.P.) Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Massachusetts, USA iTrader: (6)	I believe it's just the factory recommendation for "best gear" (which we all know is comically optimistic). The coding doesn't change the recommended gear parameters, it just displays them along with current gear.
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