Porsche Cayman vs M235i : Evo Track Battle

valentinbmw · 07-03-2014, 09:17 PM

Ok, i really like the cayman but i have to drive to work every day comfortly, i have a child seat in the back, and a whole bunch of stuff in the trunk, and let's not talk about the price, Imho that makes for the second on the lap.

chris719 · 07-04-2014, 08:03 PM

Is a bit disappointing it can't at least match it given that it's so much faster in a straight line.

patbrass · 07-04-2014, 08:49 PM

Losing to a Cayman is nothing to be ashamed of - the Cayman is a fantastic sport car praised unanimously and universally. Can you imagine if the M235i would have been considered a better track car? A cheaper 4 seats entry-level BMW coupe beating a Cayman? C'mon guys, we all love the M235i and I just can't wait to get mine but we just have to accept a Porsche Cayman is the better track car...

schumy · 07-04-2014, 09:54 PM

i am quite disappointed too as I thought the 235 would have been a match to the Cayman S not the smaller engine one...

Researcher · 07-04-2014, 10:37 PM

Comparing wrong cars: cayman is about the price of a base Corvette Stingray. We all know that car would trash the Cayman or a 911 for that mater.

Researcher · 07-04-2014, 10:41 PM

AND they tested a manual M235i that is materially slower than the AT8.

Delnari · 07-05-2014, 05:45 AM

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Comparing wrong cars: cayman is about the price of a base Corvette Stingray. We all know that car would trash the Cayman or a 911 for that mater.

Is there a head to head somewhere on the C7 vs Cayman GTS yet? I wonder how that result would be on a track like Laguna Sega or Willow Springs. My gut says about the same as this one here. Found this article, http://www.edmunds.com/porsche/cayma...ison-test.html

Looks like the Cayman S was just shy on all the performance numbers to the C7. But the road feel and driveability of the Porsche might make it a better track car. The GTS has more power, torque and larger size wheels and would only give better numbers overall. If you listen to the exhaust note of both GTS and C7 if would be hard to decide base on that alone.

WWM · 07-05-2014, 10:47 AM

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AND they tested a manual M235i that is materially slower than the AT8.

Yea, that was ridiculous. They test the manual because "it's more fun" as if that means anything. Maybe to me the AT is more fun because it's way faster and you can enjoy the other aspects of the car more? Manual transmission wankfests, gotta love it.

patbrass · 07-05-2014, 10:54 AM

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Yea, that was ridiculous. They test the manual because "it's more fun" as if that means anything. Maybe to me the AT is more fun because it's way faster and you can enjoy the other aspects of the car more? Manual transmission wankfests, gotta love it.

We know the 6MT on the M235i is slower to 60mph by a tenth or two. It's not obvious to me however if it's a lot slower on a track though. My rationale is the following: for a 0-60mph stint it's really about changing the gears as fast as possible and the 8AT is faster for sure. But on a track, it's more about being in the *right* gear at various parts of the track....that's the part I'm less convinced the 8AT is better than the 6MT (at least for the M235i).

EDIT: Of course I know you can manually select the gear with an 8AT. So, you can attempt a fast lap in 3 different ways (transmission-wise): 8AT left in full auto, 8AT with manual selection and 6MT. Again, it's not clear to me which of those 3 is the fastest in the hands of amateurs and even pros.

EDIT2: The fact that the 8AT is faster to 0-60mph might also be because of launch control. Without launch control, do we know for sure that the 8AT is faster than 6MT?

JustChris · 07-05-2014, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by patbrass

Losing to a Cayman is nothing to be ashamed of - the Cayman is a fantastic sport car praised unanimously and universally. Can you imagine if the M235i would have been considered a better track car? A cheaper 4 seats entry-level BMW coupe beating a Cayman? C'mon guys, we all love the M235i and I just can't wait to get mine but we just have to accept a Porsche Cayman is the better track car...

^^^ Wise words, 4 seater vs dedicated sports car, not quite the match up.

ska///235i · 07-05-2014, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by patbrass

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Originally Posted by WWM

Yea, that was ridiculous. They test the manual because "it's more fun" as if that means anything. Maybe to me the AT is more fun because it's way faster and you can enjoy the other aspects of the car more? Manual transmission wankfests, gotta love it.

We know the 6MT on the M235i is slower to 60mph by a tenth or two. It's not obvious to me however if it's a lot slower on a track though. My rationale is the following: for a 0-60mph stint it's really about changing the gears as fast as possible and the 8AT is faster for sure. But on a track, it's more about being in the *right* gear at various parts of the track....that's the part I'm less convinced the 8AT is better than the 6MT (at least for the M235i).

EDIT: Of course I know you can manually select the gear with an 8AT. So, you can attempt a fast lap in 3 different ways (transmission-wise): 8AT left in full auto, 8AT with manual selection and 6MT. Again, it's not clear to me which of those 3 is the fastest in the hands of amateurs and even pros.

EDIT2: The fact that the 8AT is faster to 0-60mph might also be because of launch control. Without launch control, do we know for sure that the 8AT is faster than 6MT?

Actually with the 8AT on the track you will have faster time...think about it, all you're doing is braking and cornering. With the torque in the 235 you can pickup speed at any gear after cornering and the rev match braking might help a bit

Researcher · 07-05-2014, 01:53 PM

The 8AT will be faster. Perhaps if you were Ayrton Senna or Michael Schumacher you could shift almost as fast; however, none of us are. No wonder BMW introduced this car to the media in Las Vegas all with 8AT. There was not even ONE manual available to sample.... The AT would have won against the base Cayman. And for those thinking the Cayman GTSFVCF, whatever, can beat the BASE Stingray, unlikely... cayman is out of league vs a 500+ HP car that can easily be moded to over 650hp with very few dollars. Wait a minute, let's get the new CAMARO and go destroy a few 911 Turbos at the track!

basiluf · 07-05-2014, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by patbrass

We know the 6MT on the M235i is slower to 60mph by a tenth or two.

I think it's quite a bit more than a tenth or two. C&D tested the manual 435i and it was only 0.1 seconds faster to 60 than the auto 428i they tested. The auto 228i is 0.3 seconds faster to 60 than the manual 435i.

http://www.caranddriver.com/list-rev...nted-tests/bmw

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Originally Posted by patbrass

EDIT2: The fact that the 8AT is faster to 0-60mph might also be because of launch control. Without launch control, do we know for sure that the 8AT is faster than 6MT?

I've read in at least 1 US Mag that they achieved the best times without using launch control.

Delnari · 07-05-2014, 04:09 PM

It was just a fun comparison between two German cars that offer performance oriented driving. I'm okay with M235i and the numbers all these different magazines and bloggers come up with. Bottom line, I know what my car is and isn't and that works for me. Really don't care if something more expensive is faster around a track or not. I drive on the public roads and too old and too smart to be stop light drag racing whatever pulls up along side.

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patbrass Second Lieutenant 63 Rep 244 Posts Drives: M2 LBB, 6MT Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Seattle, WA iTrader: (0)	Losing to a Cayman is nothing to be ashamed of - the Cayman is a fantastic sport car praised unanimously and universally. Can you imagine if the M235i would have been considered a better track car? A cheaper 4 seats entry-level BMW coupe beating a Cayman? C'mon guys, we all love the M235i and I just can't wait to get mine but we just have to accept a Porsche Cayman is the better track car...
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Delnari Major 256 Rep 1,040 Posts Drives: 2014 MG F22 Auto Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Alexandria, VA iTrader: (2)	It was just a fun comparison between two German cars that offer performance oriented driving. I'm okay with M235i and the numbers all these different magazines and bloggers come up with. Bottom line, I know what my car is and isn't and that works for me. Really don't care if something more expensive is faster around a track or not. I drive on the public roads and too old and too smart to be stop light drag racing whatever pulls up along side.
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