[qnet]

Originally Posted by AngryBaby

To be fair to the M2, you had it in Comfort mode and went no higher than 4k rpms, correct??

M2xx are excellent cars but completely different feel than the M2. The M is wasted if you're not on B roads or on the track.

Not exactly, I started in comfort-mode but immediately went to sport-mode when I noticed it wasn't any more aggressive than my M235i in comfort-mode.

My understanding from reading reviews about the M2 was that even in comfort-mode it was aggressive. I knew I was only going to have a limited time with the car so I wanted to get as much from the experience as possible without going crazy.

When I went to sport-mode I could tell the difference just like my M235i, and this is when I started trying to be careful not to rev it too high. Anyone of you who have the M2 or M235i know it's a challenge to keep the revs down in sport-mode. In comfort-mode, it's easy to keep the revs down.

What I'm not agreeing with a lot of people, not just you; is that it's a completely different feel. It's different and more aggressive but not completely IMO.

IMO the M2 is a nice and aggressive-looking car with fat tires and quad- tailpipes and I love it. However, I agree that the driving dynamics aren't fully realized unless you're on a track. On regular roads I can enjoy my M235i just as well.

Also, let me reiterate; I still want an M2. I'm just making that clear so I don't get lambasted when I end up with one in a year or two LOL!

[AngryBaby]

Originally Posted by qnet

Not exactly, I started in comfort-mode but immediately went to sport-mode when I noticed it wasn't any more aggressive than my M235i in comfort-mode.

My understanding from reading reviews about the M2 was that even in comfort-mode it was aggressive. I knew I was only going to have a limited time with the car so I wanted to get as much from the experience as possible without going crazy.

When I went to sport-mode I could tell the difference just like my M235i, and this is when I started trying to be careful not to rev it too high. Anyone of you who have the M2 or M235i know it's a challenge to keep the revs down in sport-mode. In comfort-mode, it's easy to keep the revs down.

What I'm not agreeing with a lot of people, not just you; is that it's a completely different feel. It's different and more aggressive but not completely IMO.

IMO the M2 is a nice and aggressive-looking car with fat tires and quad- tailpipes and I love it. However, I agree that the driving dynamics aren't fully realized unless you're on a track. On regular roads I can enjoy my M235i just as well.

Also, let me reiterate; I still want an M2. I'm just making that clear so I don't get lambasted when I end up with one in a year or two LOL!

I have this thread saved and have pithy comments locked and loaded!!

[USA-RET]

I could have ordered either car (w/ no up-charge over sticker on the M2). Read everything I could and watched all the videos before pulling the trigger. Bought the M240i.

Liked the fact that the M2 is a true "M" car and like the flared rear end and more aggressive front bumper. Was not crazy what I read and heard about the ride.

I don't track my cars, but do like to drive them playfully. the M240i appeared to be as playful as the M2 in normal use w/o a punishing ride (a couple of in depth videos showed how rough the M2 was in normal use). One where the two guys doing a comparo and discussing the M2 car while riding in it. Their voices sound like someone was pounding on their chests when talking and you could see how stiff the suspension was on normal roads. Another where the M240i was on an extended trip driven by an M2 owner who commented how much more enjoyable the M240i was to drive than his M2 for a extended period) w/ good gas mileage and excellent performance.

Plenty of videos showing the M240i acceleration vs. the M2 and in this regard, the two cars a pretty evenly matched. The M2 is faster when actually timed, but in side to side comparisons on regular roads, the two are pretty comparable.

Will I be street racing? No. So does a .2-.4 sec 0-60 differential a huge consideration? No.
I'm having a Dinan Stage 1 installed on my M240i so even that consideration is likely eliminated.

Every article I read said that the M2 was a better track car and was very capable at it's limits. the M240i was also good at the limits but not as good as the M2. The price you pay or sacrifice for the stiffer suspension.

Sure, whenever I see an M car, I drool a bit. I may wind up w/ an M2 the next time around. This is my first BMW and couldn't be happier with it.

I never judge another person's choice in vehicles since it is a personal choice. I made my choice based on my personal tastes and what I wanted from the car. I will modify it to my tastes as well.

To say the M240i is half the car of an M2 is a pretty uninformed statement. Jan 2017 issue of Car and Driver 10 Best Cars for 2017 lumped the M2 and the M240i together in their top 10 list.

[Mr Carrots]

My original choice was between an M4 and a new C63S coupe - the M2 never factored into the equation because it wasn't really any better than the 240 for me (I'll never track my car and might take it the drag strip once a year whenever I get a new mod)

I went with the m240i because back to back 'spirited' test drives (with the 24 year old SA laughing his ass off in the seat next to me) didn't show much real difference for the way I'll use my car for the next 3 years.

Then my wife's car was written off and suddenly we needed 2 cars, so I went with the 240 which was close enough to the 2 big boy choices for my liking (the m4 and the amg) and a hell of a lot cheaper.

I'd love the wider fenders to fit decent wheels and tires on my car, I'd like the brakes and additional steering tuning, but it just wasn't worth the wait and the premium over the 240 - there were huge discounts on the 240 and zero on the m2

[amw896]

Originally Posted by DF

One of the worst parts of m2 ownership is the culture:

But let's get right down to the crux of it. If you were in an m240i and an M2 pulls up next to you, or drives past in the street, your still In an m240i and that's not an M2!

I mean I got the m2 for the drive, nothing to do with the fact that the m240i is close to the same speed, it's the fact the m2 is the m2 and the m240i is and always will be the m240i regardless of how close it is in a straight line! The m2 is a phenomenal piece of machinery when you push it hard. Il admit something too, I loved my 1m, like it was my first child but this m2 is a much better drivers car than the 1m.
The m240i is half the car the m2 is.

Using this kind of math, you can then also say the M2 is 1/8 the car of an M4.

[WolfGTI]

Further clarification:

M2 does not cost 2x M240i
M2 does not lap any track in 1/2 the time the M240i could
M2 does not run the 1/4 mile in 1/2 the time the M240i does
M2 does not pull 2x the G's in that a M240i pulls
M2 does not have 2x the top speed of the M240i

However maybe the M2 helps compensate for shortcomings 2x the M240i does .

That being said - If the M2 had the B58 or an enhanced B58 I would have paid and waited but we'll see what the future brings. The M2 IS the better track car but I think the M240i is the better DD, and a phenomenal value.

[Benandluna]

Originally Posted by WolfGTI

Further clarification:

M2 does not cost 2x M240i
M2 does not lap any track in 1/2 the time the M240i could
M2 does not run the 1/4 mile in 1/2 the time the M240i does
M2 does not pull 2x the G's in that a M240i pulls
M2 does not have 2x the top speed of the M240i

However maybe the M2 helps compensate for shortcomings 2x the M240i does .

That being said - If the M2 had the B58 or an enhanced B58 I would have paid and waited but we'll see what the future brings. The M2 IS the better track car but I think the M240i is the better DD, and a phenomenal value.

Basically on the money. I the m2 was perhaps 5k more I'd get one. But the markup just wasn't worth it for me

[USA-RET]

My price diff was about $6400 for comparably equipped M2 vs. the M240i. $1K off M2 through USAA and nothing else off retail price, but got $2500 off the M240i sticker +$1k from USAA ordered to my specification.

[bryan_G01]

Originally Posted by USA-RET

My price diff was about $6400 for comparably equipped M2 vs. the M240i. $1K off M2 through USAA and nothing else off retail price, but got $2500 off the M240i sticker +$1k from USAA ordered to my specification.

And you can go full bolt on and tune with wheels, springs, and brake upgrade for cheaper than that difference.

m = marketing (these days)

[MartyMcFly88MPH]

Originally Posted by DF

One of the worst parts of m2 ownership is the culture

You've made that quite clear.

[snaketh]

The depreciation is a huge reason to go with the M2 if you can put up with it as a DD. If it's anything like the 1M it has the potential to hold it's value better than any other BMW model.

Still don't think I could have it as a DD.

[B58togo]

Originally Posted by DF

One of the worst parts of m2 ownership is the culture:

But let's get right down to the crux of it. If you were in an m240i and an M2 pulls up next to you, or drives past in the street, your still In an m240i and that's not an M2!

I mean I got the m2 for the drive, nothing to do with the fact that the m240i is close to the same speed, it's the fact the m2 is the m2 and the m240i is and always will be the m240i regardless of how close it is in a straight line! The m2 is a phenomenal piece of machinery when you push it hard. Il admit something too, I loved my 1m, like it was my first child but this m2 is a much better drivers car than the 1m.
The m240i is half the car the m2 is.

Jesus, my mind is now officially blown. I did not know this would be the case. (It's a lot to process)

Could you please further clarify....if I'm in an M240i and a Ferrari Enzo pulls up next to me, am I really still in an M240i, or am I in some sort of astral plane, an alternate reality if you will?

[Wasko]

Originally Posted by B58togo

Jesus, my mind is now officially blown. I did not know this would be the case. (It's a lot to process)

Could you please further clarify....if I'm in an M240i and a Ferrari Enzo pulls up next to me, am I really still in an M240i, or am I in some sort of astral plane, an alternate reality if you will?

I am just as confused as you. If I'm in an M2 and an M4 pulls up next to me what then

The cognitive bias used to describe what happens in these M2 versus M240i or vice versa threads is post purchase rationalisation. My view is that we see so much of it between these two cars in particular because they are actually quite close in comparison. If the differences between the two were day/night then these threads wouldn't exist.

[DF]

Originally Posted by Wasko

I am just as confused as you. If I'm in an M2 and an M4 pulls up next to me what then

The cognitive bias used to describe what happens in these M2 versus M240i or vice versa threads is post purchase rationalisation. My view is that we see so much of it between these two cars in particular because they are actually quite close in comparison. If the differences between the two were day/night then these threads wouldn't exist.

It's apparently a lot of math

[Benandluna]

Iono If a M2 pulls up next to me and hears my turbo and and exhaust. I think he will be the one wondering WTF is under my hood lol.

But I will be admiring that beautiful M2 body from my rear mirror :-p

[geep81]

Originally Posted by DF

But let's get right down to the crux of it. If you were in an m240i and an M2 pulls up next to you, or drives past in the street, your still In an m240i and that's not an M2!.

And if you're in an M2 and a Porsche pulls up, you're still in a M2. And if a Ferrari pulls up, etc.... It never ends.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by geep81

And if you're in an M2 and a Porsche pulls up, you're still in a M2. And if a Ferrari pulls up, etc.... It never ends.

Actually, it does. With therapy and self-confidence not to worry about what the next guy "has". Sometimes, I think there is more insecurity here than at most high-school proms.

[och]

Are they planning on putting S55 in the M2?

[crabu2]

As a non M anything owner, I could care less if someone was in a real M car or not. I don't even notice them on the road because they look so similar to other BMWs. It's the same with all these AMG Benzs out there.

What I do notice is the Audi R8, Lambo, Lotus and a few others..

Funny thing.. The other day, I was coming up on a car and thought it was a new Mazda MX-5. That was till I got close enough to see the Ferrari emblem on the back. I have no idea what model it was but even from the side, it looked like the new MX-5 RF... I wasn't impressed.

I guess I'm just not a car guy..

[Dylan86]

Then the M2 CS came out (imo, a real M car), and the M2 fanboys will be all bent because now they have the "in between" car, lol.. It will never end..

DF- To say the M2 is 2x the M240i is well, a very subjective opinion. The M235i was considered a "better" performing car than the 1M, proven on track. The M variant 2 series, a better performing car than the 1M? Hmm, makes me think we have a pretty special package, for a lot less $.

The insecurity is real, though. Can't deny it.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by crabu2

As a non M anything owner, I could care less if someone was in a real M car or not.

[bimmerfile]

Originally Posted by DF

.................................................. .................... If you were in an m240i and an M2 pulls up next to you, or drives past in the street, your still In an m240i and that's not an M2!................................
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If a M2 and/or bunch of high end sports and super cars pulls up next to you here in Ontario, you better look out for the OPP or you won't "still be in your M240i"..

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...t-driving.html