[golf_234]

Originally Posted by Alpine F31

I live in Los Angeles and what you said is exactly the same as here. I have a 328i and there are billions of them on the road (not surprisingly). I have an M235i on order, so every day while I'm out I look for 235's. One day, I saw two McLaren 12C's, and zero M235i's. I do see a handful of 228i's however. I love how rare the M235i is as I'm tired of "seeing myself" coming and going in my 328i. My 3 is a nice car but it doesn't feel special at all.

This. P.S. Moving back to Orange next month!

[Alpine F31]

Originally Posted by 335BOY

Just checked local dealer-8 M235s on the lot. 2 435s......30+320s and 30+ 328s. 320 and 328 all MSRP less than M235.

Eight on one lot? Amazing! I've never seen more than 2 on any dealers lot near me. Usually, zero is the amount I find. I just did a Cars.com search for "M235i." 9 showed up within 30 miles of my house. 8 of the nine had the 8 speed auto. I want a 6MT. This is why I ordered my car.

[gpburdell]

I'm in Atlanta. I just checked autotrader and cars.com. Just five 2 series within 100 miles of me with 2 being M235s.

[jwr0721]

And to think ... I walked into the dealer on a whim and drove off in the exact same M235i I had built 15 times online. It was sitting there waiting for me - as if it were fate.

[Nuwheels]

Originally Posted by Alpine F31

I live in Los Angeles and what you said is exactly the same as here. I have a 328i and there are billions of them on the road (not surprisingly). I have an M235i on order, so every day while I'm out I look for 235's. One day, I saw two McLaren 12C's, and zero M235i's. I do see a handful of 228i's however. I love how rare the M235i is as I'm tired of "seeing myself" coming and going in my 328i. My 3 is a nice car but it doesn't feel special at all.

I live in Hollywood/Bhills area and I have still yet to see a single 2 series of any kind. Although Beverly Hills BMW has 4 at there store now, so maybe will start seeing them around soon. Mine is on a boat now.

[Alpine F31]

Originally Posted by Nuwheels

I live in Hollywood/Bhills area and I have still yet to see a single 2 series of any kind. Although Beverly Hills BMW has 4 at there store now, so maybe will start seeing them around soon. Mine is on a boat now.

That's awesome yours is on a boat! I rode my bike by BH BMW about two weeks ago and I didn't see one 2 series. Maybe they were in the storage lot. My 2 is still in production. I bought it in Universal City.

[Alpine F31]

Originally Posted by gpburdell

I'm in Atlanta. I just checked autotrader and cars.com. Just five 2 series within 100 miles of me with 2 being M235s.

That's the definition of exclusive!

[CF22]

Since I received my car in November I've seen 2 or 3 M235i, about 5 or so 228i. Every day I see a few 4 series and countless 3 series, maybe 1 or 2 M4's every day. When I was shopping around late summer, dealers would have 2 or 3 228's and I was lucky to see an M235i. I love that the car is rare, and it too flies under the radar.

Would love to see a picture of 8 on the dealer lot.

[Kiwi]

Originally Posted by Ramos

No man, these numbers are total 2 series in the world. This includes many gasoline and Diesel engines. The 2 (other than the M235) is way cheaper than the 4. What you're saying is not true when you consider other 2 series models.

Well the 2 is only 5% cheaper as it only comes with M Sports at home so most would buy a 3 or a 1 4 door with more room and better selling later. The 2 has very small sales.

I like seeing the 2 around town

[midwest 340xi 6sp]

I'll bet if BMW added a 4 door and a Gran Coupe to the 2 platform it would double the sales

[sstarrx3]

Originally Posted by Midwest M235i

I'll bet if BMW added a 4 door and a Gran Coupe to the 2 platform it would double the sales

Yep...if they continue to sell poorly...they will not make them for long. MINI is already axing their Roadster and Coupe because they did not sell well...BMW will end up doing the same.

[bimmerfile]

As difficult as I'm sure it will be, we 2-series owners should try not to let the relative lack of other 2ers on the road spoil our enjoyment of the car.

[chaswyck1]

We enjoy out cars for precisely the same reasons that most other people don't even consider a 2 Series. They're small. They have only two doors. And they have a virtually unusable rear seat (not only is there no leg room, but it's next to impossible for an adult to get in and out). These qualities of our cars eliminate a huge percentage of the car buying market. However, I don't know for sure about other 2 Series owners, but these are exactly the reasons I wanted this car. I wanted a small, powerful, fun carthat could just as easily have been a two seater because the rear seat will never be used. I had a MINI Cooper S before this car and the rear seats were foldsed down the whole time I had it. This car is not for everybody (not NEARLY everybody) which is why production (and sales) numbers are so low. It's a niche car and I like it like that.

[dmboone25]

Is a half fried, half baked pickle, onion, sauerkraut and liver sandwich rare because it's on no ones menu ?

Nope. It's because no one gives a shit to eat that sandwich. Same with the 2er and 1er before it. You might love your sandwich made that way, but most people don't.

It's not a rare car at all IMO.

EDIT - and yes I chose that sandwich for comparison because I assumed the combination would be squishy.

[chaswyck1]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Is a half fried, half baked pickle, onion, sauerkraut and liver sandwich rare because it's on no ones menu ?

Nope. It's because no one gives a shit to eat that sandwich. Same with the 2er and 1er before it. You might love your sandwich made that way, but most people don't.

It's not a rare car at all IMO.

EDIT - and yes I chose that sandwich for comparison because I assumed the combination would be squishy.

Maybe it's just semantics, but it is a rare car in the sense that there are not very many around because the demand for a small, relatively expensive, coupe is fairly small. It's rare in the sense that you won't see many of them on the road. It's not rare in the sense that only a limited number were made (i.e. the 1M or any other limited edition car). Anyone who wants a 2 Series can order one and BMW will make as many as are ordered. I would go further and say that it's the kind of car that many people wish they could have, but their requirements are such that they can't have it (kids, or the need to haul stuff for example). My guess is (and it's somewhat confirmed by the people on this board) that the market for this car is young people with good jobs and few responsibilities who don't have kids and older people whose kids are grown. In that respect, it's the kind of car that many people envy as they pull up alongside you in their minivan with four kids in it.

[Kiwi]

That's the problem with the 2 coupe it is small and why America BMW should import the 1 series 4 door with the same fun factor just more room and I reckon a nice look. America is not young rich it's loan money to do most things instead of saving for the first 20 years working. Their's not many who envy cars this a lot who say all that money is being lost in that car.

[angelbones]

Originally Posted by sstarrx3

Yep...if they continue to sell poorly...they will not make them for long. MINI is already axing their Roadster and Coupe because they did not sell well...BMW will end up doing the same.

I doubt it. It is a low volume car, but so was the 1. Actually, I think the 'vert is what's going to make the difference. In warm weather clients in particular, convertibles sell big. It brings a lot of buyers into showrooms. In my family alone, I know some who can't wait to see the 2 series convertible. The 1 series 'vert sold well here in FL. I'm sure I see more of those than the 1 coupe. Regardless I don't see BMW killing it. I think they feel just fine keeping it a low volume car and rely on its 3 and 4 series brethren to make all the money. It's easier to see why they would kill the Mini coupe and Roadster. How many have you actually seen? It's been out for several years now, and I've probably seen as many of those as I have any 2 series. I guess my only complaint about the numbers is that, unlike a 3 series, where there a million of them, the lack of 2s make it harder to negotiate good deals. They can be had, but I'm just saying it's harder. That said, I'm willing to pay a little more for more exclusivity.

[shark715]

My guess is that 2 series sales are somewhat (but not wildly) ahead of where BMW expected them to be. Several pieces of evidence: 1) compare current sales to how the 1 series was selling; 2) you don't see a glut of cars sitting on dealer lots; in fact there is a conspicuous lack of inventory, just compare 6 series current dealer inventories versus monthly sales 3) in some areas of the U.S. factory order buyers are still waiting a significant amount of time from order placement to factory production. Despite that I'm currently waiting to order a 235 xdrive convertible, I don't expect that convertible production will be any more than 10 to 20% of the total 2 series production. Just take a look 4 and 6 series convertible sales versus total series. And sales of convertibles globally overall have been declining.

Someone mentioned the possibility that 2 series production may be stopped due to slow sales, and cited the Mini Roadster and Coupe. I don't think we need to be concerned about that. 2 series sales is no where even comparable to how slow Mini Roadster and Coupe sales have been. Talk about rare, niche models...those are good examples.

[shark715]

One more point. No doubt 2 series sales are being lost due to the lack of immediately available inventory at most dealers. There's a certain percentage of buyers who need a vehicle immediately and are not in a position to wait 2 months or more for an order to suit car.

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by Alpine F31

Eight on one lot? Amazing! I've never seen more than 2 on any dealers lot near me. Usually, zero is the amount I find. I just did a Cars.com search for "M235i." 9 showed up within 30 miles of my house. 8 of the nine had the 8 speed auto. I want a 6MT. This is why I ordered my car.

They were all discounted about 10%!

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by chaswyck@yahoo.com

Maybe it's just semantics, but it is a rare car in the sense that there are not very many around because the demand for a small, relatively expensive, coupe is fairly small. It's rare in the sense that you won't see many of them on the road. It's not rare in the sense that only a limited number were made (i.e. the 1M or any other limited edition car). Anyone who wants a 2 Series can order one and BMW will make as many as are ordered. I would go further and say that it's the kind of car that many people wish they could have, but their requirements are such that they can't have it (kids, or the need to haul stuff for example). My guess is (and it's somewhat confirmed by the people on this board) that the market for this car is young people with good jobs and few responsibilities who don't have kids and older people whose kids are grown. In that respect, it's the kind of car that many people envy as they pull up alongside you in their minivan with four kids in it.

Rare to me, in a car description setting, means cool because not only is the car desirable, but also hard to get. The 2er, and again 1er before it, are/were not hard to get, albeit for the 1M, which really is rare. It was hard to get one of those babies, even if you wanted one. Not hard to get a 235. It just seems like not many people want one.

A "rare" car can be something expensive like a 458 or more pedestrian like a 2002. It's not necessarily a requirement that the car be expensive - just that it's cool and hard to get. You might think the 2er is cool, but it's certainly not hard to get one.

[sstarrx3]

Originally Posted by shark715

My guess is that 2 series sales are somewhat (but not wildly) ahead of where BMW expected them to be. Several pieces of evidence: 1) compare current sales to how the 1 series was selling; 2) you don't see a glut of cars sitting on dealer lots; in fact there is a conspicuous lack of inventory, just compare 6 series current dealer inventories versus monthly sales 3) in some areas of the U.S. factory order buyers are still waiting a significant amount of time from order placement to factory production. Despite that I'm currently waiting to order a 235 xdrive convertible, I don't expect that convertible production will be any more than 10 to 20% of the total 2 series production. Just take a look 4 and 6 series convertible sales versus total series. And sales of convertibles globally overall have been declining.

Someone mentioned the possibility that 2 series production may be stopped due to slow sales, and cited the Mini Roadster and Coupe. I don't think we need to be concerned about that. 2 series sales is no where even comparable to how slow Mini Roadster and Coupe sales have been. Talk about rare, niche models...those are good examples.

Well...here in Charlotte there are more Mini Coupes and Roadsters on the lot than 2ers!