[335BOY]

Originally Posted by abirmaher

Defiantly has to do with the rarity of the car. 4 series' are a dime a dozen at this point. Our cars are much more rare. I wouldn't doubt that they're coming into the states at a rate of 1:5 when compared to the 4. Makes good sense to me.

.....because of demand. Very few people want a small coupe. Its a great car but its not exclusive by any means.

[abirmaher]

Originally Posted by 335BOY

.....because of demand. Very few people want a small coupe. Its a great car but its not exclusive by any means.

I know there are many people who have told me they have been scouring for 2 series and they find them much harder to find than the 4. Go to any dealership and compare the number of 2 series lying around vs 4's. The dealerships I deal with around here tell me that when an m235i comes through the door they rarely keep it more than a few days before someone comes and scoops it up.

There may be less "demand" but that yields less product which makes the car more exclusive one way or another.

[gaijin]

Originally Posted by abirmaher

I know there are many people who have told me they have been scouring for 2 series and they find them much harder to find than the 4. Go to any dealership and compare the number of 2 series lying around vs 4's. The dealerships I deal with around here tell me that when an m235i comes through the door they rarely keep it more than a few days before someone comes and scoops it up.

There may be less "demand" but that yields less product which makes the car more exclusive one way or another.

It all has to do with how much mark-up can be had on a particular model and the demand.

[gaijin]

Originally Posted by MrBucket

It was more like I can get you a really good deal on a 5 GT and I laughed at that.

My case and point. Better mark-up on the 5-Series, hence, plentiful inventory.

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by gaijin

My case and point. Better mark-up on the 5-Series, hence, plentiful inventory.

How do you explain all the 320s on the lot?.
You guys can think you have an exclusive car if you'd like.

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by abirmaher

I know there are many people who have told me they have been scouring for 2 series and they find them much harder to find than the 4. Go to any dealership and compare the number of 2 series lying around vs 4's. The dealerships I deal with around here tell me that when an m235i comes through the door they rarely keep it more than a few days before someone comes and scoops it up.

There may be less "demand" but that yields less product which makes the car more exclusive one way or another.

Try finding a 435 MT.......hardly any around because market is small.
I wonder what would happen if a dealer brought in 15 M235s? Maybe they would all sell fast . Dealer near me had a few last time I was in.
Just checked local dealer-8 M235s on the lot. 2 435s......30+320s and 30+ 328s. 320 and 328 all MSRP less than M235.

[Matski]

4 series had 12 months of Coupe and Convertible, and 6 months of Gran Coupe... so 119,580 split between 30 months (across all 3 derivatives) = 3,986 of each (Average) per month.

2 series coupe had 9 months... so thats 3,103 cars per month.

I know the 4-er numbers won't be split evenly, but I still don't think it will be anything like 5:1 Coupe vs. Coupe over a full 12 months.

[shark715]

What I find very surprising is that the geographical differences in supply have not resolved themselves by now. Obviously it's not a factory capacity issue. If it were, there would not be so many dealers in the Northeast that can order a car and have it rolling out of the factory within 3 to 4 weeks of order placement.

[gaijin]

Originally Posted by 335BOY

How do you explain all the 320s on the lot?.
You guys can think you have an exclusive car if you'd like.

MSRP from $32,950. Bread and butter.

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by gaijin

MSRP from $32,950. Bread and butter.

Above They were talking about low margin cars and thats why 235 wasnt as readily available as 4. I was showing that there are lots of 320s around...probably lower margin..........

[krhodes1]

Originally Posted by 335BOY

Slow sales would be more like it. Dealers all have tons of 320s. Its only rare because it doesnt appeal to many buyers as its a small coupe and therefore sells in small numbers. This is no collectors car.

Exactly this. Small coupes are not big sellers in the US anymore - look how few competitors this car has. Especially small coupes that are fairly expensive. Fine with me, as long as I can get one.

[krhodes1]

Originally Posted by 335BOY

.....because of demand. Very few people want a small coupe. Its a great car but its not exclusive by any means.

It's exclusive in the sense that they don't sell very many. Because not many people want one! Let's face it, the average American wants a station wagon on stilts these days.

[RobTaylor]

Originally Posted by krhodes1

It's exclusive in the sense that they don't sell very many. Because not many people want one! Let's face it, the average American wants a station wagon on stilts these days.

I agree, most do not want a car that small and expensive. SUV pigs are taking over.

We have a 4 series and a 2 series. I always pick the 2 unless it is snowing like hell as the 4 is X drive. The 2 is more fun by far.

[hoppy6698]

Originally Posted by NEUE02

All I care is that there is one in my garage!

This!

And still happy to not see but 1-2 around in a 30 mile radius :P

[angelbones]

Regarding sales figures, the 2 has been selling about the same as the 1 series did. I'm a little surprised considering it's a new model. I'm puzzled that they don't push the "entry level" model more, but I'm not complaining, as I like the rarity. Great site to check numbers is www.goodcarbadcar.net which shows numbers. For some reason BMW groups the 1 and the 2 sales together, but since there are only a handful of new 1 series left, it's easy to assume that the sales number for 2014 are only for the 2 series.

Some comparable 2014 sales figures may be of interest and an approximation from memory. The 2: 7300; Audi TT: 1200; Hyundai Genesis Coupe: 1500; Infiniti Q60 coupe (i.e. G37): 7700. Interestingly, the Tesla S: 16,000.

[Tuxedo]

The difference of how much(atleast in the Chicago area) 4er vs 2er gets any kind of marketing and advertised lease incentives. 4er if memory servs correct had TV spots during baseball season for 2014 from all-star break on. 2er had zip cept online marketing for the drift roundabout promo.

I first became interested in the 1er dealers never had a test driver available for the first 2.5yrs of production. Dealers imo just don't/won't/can't stock 2er's enough for anyone on the fence to commit. Now 2.5yrs isnt the whole story I didn't go to the dealer to arrange for one either, if I had the e46 in for service or did a charity ride and drive I would inquire and the first one I got to drive was a 2010 CPO with 10k miles that drove like crap imo that already had 2owners. So I nearly wrote it off thinking why would I go from great e46 to meh e88.

Mrs Tux will tell you in the 4er's retractable hard top convertible builds value down the road in resale. Mrs Tux is always right btw!

[bimmerfile]

If you want a 3er or 4er, you can generally find quite a few in dealer stock or the dealer can get one close to your liking from another dealer.
OTOH, I've yet to see a dealer stock more than 1 or 2 2-series - and they're generally loaded - so they appear pricey compared to stripper 3er or 4ers.
As well, buyers for 2ers generally want specific configurations (mores so than say your average soccer mom or wannabe professional wanting to look cool), so 2er buyers usually are in for a 8 -10 week wait to get their puppy.
That culls the herd of potential 2er buyers considerably.

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by bimmerfile

If you want a 3er or 4er, you can generally find quite a few in dealer stock or the dealer can get one close to your liking from another dealer.
OTOH, I've yet to see a dealer stock more than 1 or 2 2-series - and they're generally loaded - so they appear pricey compared to stripper 3er or 4ers.
As well, buyers for 2ers generally want specific configurations (mores so than say your average soccer mom or wannabe professional wanting to look cool), so 2er buyers usually are in for a 8 -10 week wait to get their puppy.
That culls the herd of potential 2er buyers considerably.

Parkview has 8 M235s...............

[doublevanosrc]

Great news indeed.

[Corinne]

I drive from France into Switzerland every day to the office. Would you believe I have never seen a single 2 series on the road ? Plenty of 3's, 5's, etc but no 2's.

[Alpine F31]

Originally Posted by mmmmm235i

DISCLAIMER: I LIVE IN MIAMI BEACH , but that being said I have seen 5x as many i8s as 235s, 100x more aventadors (one even messed around with me last night in safe conditions), 300x more 458s, 6x more huracans even 5x more than that new lexis coupe... do I need to continue

more importantly I have seen 1000x more 3s and 500x more 4s, etc.

I live in Los Angeles and what you said is exactly the same as here. I have a 328i and there are billions of them on the road (not surprisingly). I have an M235i on order, so every day while I'm out I look for 235's. One day, I saw two McLaren 12C's, and zero M235i's. I do see a handful of 228i's however. I love how rare the M235i is as I'm tired of "seeing myself" coming and going in my 328i. My 3 is a nice car but it doesn't feel special at all.

[shark715]

Bridgewater BMW here in NJ has three 235's in stock (mineral white, gray, and red) and more on the way. All X drive with leather.