[p912guy]

Here's a link 2 Series owners, especially M2 owners might be interested in.

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2017/6/1...Crash-7739690/

Evidently not all stupid drivers drive Mustangs and Camaro's Hopefully the kids involved here recover quickly and learn their lesson.

[Maynard]

Tough to see, but reassuring how it managed to keep the central compartment relatively intact. Hope the kids end up OK, but another sobering reminder that young drivers in hot cars are a bad mix - especially if they didn't earn the car themselves (gifts don't motivate you to keep it on the road in the same way). It's not the hand-eye coordination or specific driving ability, it is the showoff/distraction aspect that they don't really have down yet. When those midlifers in the Mustangs say 'it makes me feel like I'm 20 again' they are more literally correct than they think, hence the bad rep.

[3rdcoast228i]

Originally Posted by Maynard

Hope the kids end up OK, but another sobering reminder that young drivers in hot cars are a bad mix - especially if they didn't earn the car themselves (gifts don't motivate you to keep it on the road in the same way).

110% I have first hand experience with what happens when you give kids everything and they never have to do or earn anything themselves. They don't respect anything or anyone. (Of course there are exceptions)




Glad they are okay and didn't get anyone else hurt.

[fbsm]

Thats what happens when you drive on the wrong side of the road

/bad humor

Hope the kids make a speedy recovery

[rightrudder]

Oy! Nasty wreck. Reminds me of the joke about Alabama's state tree: A telephone pole with a Mustang wrapped around it.

They have BMW's safety engineers...and a fair bit of luck...to thank that they made it out alive.

[3.0L]

Originally Posted by 3rdcoast228i

110% I have first hand experience with what happens when you give kids everything and they never have to do or earn anything themselves. They don't respect anything or anyone. (Of course there are exceptions)

Glad they are okay and didn't get anyone else hurt.

True. Spoiled brats.

I retired 5 years ago after 21 years at our local university. I witnessed this attitude every day. I found this very discouraging, to say the least.

[harma24]

Forget the driver, I hope the 20-year old female passenger learned her lesson. She does do not need to be anywhere near a guy like that.

Sorry, I have very little tolerance for someone who willingly chooses to endanger their passengers by being dumb. A woman I knew in college was killed when her spoiled DB of a boyfriend wrecked his Porsche with her in it. He walked away. Excessive speed (estimated to be >100mph on a 30mph road) was found to be a factor.

[B58togo]

Originally Posted by harma24

Forget the driver, I hope the 20-year old female passenger learned her lesson. She does do not need to be anywhere near a guy like that.

Sorry, I have very little tolerance for someone who willingly chooses to endanger their passengers by being dumb. A woman I knew in college was killed when her spoiled DB of a boyfriend wrecked his Porsche with her in it. He walked away. Excessive speed (estimated to be >100mph on a 30mph road) was found to be a factor.

Well, testosterone and horsepower can be like oil and water. Hopefully he learned a lesson. Could have had a much worse outcome.

[crabu2]

It's old news now...

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1393759

[Rayscott]

Originally Posted by harma24

Forget the driver, I hope the 20-year old female passenger learned her lesson. She does do not need to be anywhere near a guy like that.

Sorry, I have very little tolerance for someone who willingly chooses to endanger their passengers by being dumb. A woman I knew in college was killed when her spoiled DB of a boyfriend wrecked his Porsche with her in it. He walked away. Excessive speed (estimated to be >100mph on a 30mph road) was found to be a factor.

A young high school kid in my state was sent to jail for killing a friend and causing serious brain damage to another passenger while drinking, driving erratically and hitting a tractor trailer at an intersection. The a--hole walked away with minor inures. The kid that was killed would have graduated from High School 3 days later and was going to Syracuse. He was an adopted only child. Devastated his parents.

[aerostar]

Originally Posted by Rayscott

A young high school kid in my state was sent to jail for killing a friend and causing serious brain damage to another passenger while drinking, driving erratically and hitting a tractor trailer at an intersection. The a--hole walked away with minor inures. The kid that was killed would have graduated from High School 3 days later and was going to Syracuse. He was an adopted only child. Devastated his parents.

Do you really think jail's the right answer for a young kid?

Have you never done something stupid when you were 18? Or did you do stupid things and get lucky or just not get caught?

[chattanooga240]

Originally Posted by aerostar

Do you really think jail's the right answer for a young kid?

Yes

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by nvmaddog

Yes

Completely agree. Old enough to be trusted with a car and decision-making which could result in taking a life...old enough to pay the penalty for the sake of deterrence as well as to protect everyone else once he's removed.

Find and watch "Scared Straight" if you doubt the potential effect of young kids having the real chance of going to prison.

[3rdcoast228i]

Originally Posted by aerostar

Do you really think jail's the right answer for a young kid?

Have you never done something stupid when you were 18? Or did you do stupid things and get lucky or just not get caught?

Yep

For the same reason the others have said.

Acting stupid is something that is accepted in American culture and it shouldn't be. So many kids have ruined their life, or life's of others.

I thought about things and the consequences of those things. And I didn't let peer pressure or the sake of being cool talk me into being stupid.

[3.0L]

Originally Posted by aerostar

Do you really think jail's the right answer for a young kid?

Do the crime, do the time.

As I see it, much of the problem today is many kids aren't allowed to suffer the consequences of their behavior. Their parents and/or lawyer get them off the hook. So, they never learn.

[crabu2]

Originally Posted by aerostar

Do you really think jail's the right answer for a young kid?

Have you never done something stupid when you were 18? Or did you do stupid things and get lucky or just not get caught?

When I was younger, I worked with a guy that did a year for involuntary manslaughter when he was 18 I think. He had a rental and was racing his buddies around a bend.. lost control of the car and ended up in the woods.. one of his passenger ... a friend of his ... died. He himself ended up with minor brain damage too, was in a coma. His friend's parents didn't want him locked up, but the judge did.. so he ended up doing a year.

[Rayscott]

Originally Posted by aerostar

Do you really think jail's the right answer for a young kid?

Have you never done something stupid when you were 18? Or did you do stupid things and get lucky or just not get caught?

Yes I did some stupid things but i did not kill another person or cause permanent brain damage because of my stupidity. He only got 2 months so tough shit, could have been worse. Maybe jail time will teach him a lesson. The judge agreed that nothing can change what his stupidity caused but he needs to pay the price for his reckless behavior and i don't have a problem with his decision. He also has to pay $$, do community service and talk to young people about making wrong choices like he did. I have no time for bleeding hearts.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Sad