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      06-16-2018, 12:59 PM   #1
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F80 M3 to F22 M240i?

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Currently driving the last 6 months a Ferrari Red 2017 M3 ZCP. The most amazing car I had until now, it's lowered with Eibach. So just a perfect car but...

I pay 1455 a month for the private lease the next 54 months excluding insurance and road-tax. A lot of money for just a 'car'.. I don't have any money issues and still can buy diners and pay my bills, but in one way or another, I can not justify it to myself to pay so much.

Today I visited the BMW dealer and received a offer to trade it for a brand new BMW M240i. It has the full performance edition and all options that are available on the car. And the most important thing off course, it costs me 450 per month less, excluding maintenance gasoline etc. Within two years I will save around +15k all incl.

I know it's a downgrade coming from a F80 M3, but will I really be disappointed with going back to a M240i? I have driven two times a M135i and the M2, and all those cars did give me a great feeling and fun.

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      06-16-2018, 02:46 PM   #2
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Depends on whether you can avoid making comparisons that the 2 series just can't win. It will feel less stable and planted, but will be fun nonetheless. I would suggest getting the LSD at least, which will help recreate that "push" out of the corners you get with an M3. Or just get the new M2 - the thing I don't like about that option is that the ride is pretty stiff, but if you're happy with the M3 stiffness it shouldn't be a problem.
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      06-16-2018, 02:57 PM   #3
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Yes, i'm aware that I will loser power and class. But hey, a M240i could be just that fun like a F80 M3. And saving 15k over two years is not bad..

I will also lower it with Eibach, some spacers, downpipe and off course a ECU tune when that will be available..

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      06-16-2018, 03:05 PM   #4
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Do you take your car to the track on a regular or semi-regular basis? If so, you might be a little unhappy. If not, you should be fine... and, as you say, €15000 richer after a few years.
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No, never on the track. And never will due to insurance..

The monthly payment still be high after getting the M240i, but is it worth it to have a step back? That's the question I asking myself all the time..
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      06-16-2018, 05:07 PM   #6
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Financially speaking it is no brainier changing to m240i, saving 15000 dollars over few years is like saving a year salary of a lot of people.
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      06-16-2018, 06:43 PM   #7
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Why not just go m2? For the price of that m240 with all the m parts I want to say its msrp is higher than an m2. M240 will be a blast and more predictable while you drive, but you'll feel the body roll in the corners a bit more.

M2 lease rates have always been bad, wouldn't recommend leasing if that's still the case.
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      06-16-2018, 09:04 PM   #8
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M2 lease rates have always been bad, wouldn't recommend leasing if that's still the case.
Do they lease cars in the Netherlands? I've always wondered about that in other countries.

Oops...just reread the OP's post and see that he has a 'private lease'.

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      06-16-2018, 09:41 PM   #9
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You cant reallly compare the 2 cars, I liked mine for a while but I was coming from a lower spec car

Now I would hate to have to go back to the 240i after driving a performance car for a few weeks but that's a big saving. My monthly on the zl1 is only $50 more than my 240i but I financed not leased

The civic m2 is a joke and I suspect the lease rates on the CS will be crazier than your m3
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      06-16-2018, 10:30 PM   #10
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I came from e92 M3's, no regrets going with a new M240i. It's a lot of bang for the buck. I checked out the F80/F82 when they first came out but they didn't sway me from the e92. A bit too big and sounded horrible, I wasn't blown away. This M240i is a softer, smoother car, not as focussed as big brothers. I call it a small GT. It's great to blast around town in, has good power and really love the smaller size. I think it sounds better than the F80 too. Different cars for sure. I'm happy with it.
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Yes, I understand you. But I really love the true M feeling within the M3 while driving, and it's really a true performance car. Something I will maybe lose in the M240i?

The M2 isn't a option currently, they have a big discount on the M240i with swapping the M3.. The M2 won't save me that much a money with what the offer..
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      06-17-2018, 07:54 AM   #12
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You get what you pay for. It appears to me that you really enjoy the rock-hard M experience, which you will never get in the 240, which a previous respondent rightly described as a small GT, which is what most of us 235/240 folks enjoy most about the car: it does not drive like a rock.
Have you driven the M240? It won't take more than a few minutes to feel the difference, which will never go away.
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Yeah, you've got to test drive an M240i to see for yourself. If you click with it, chew on the experience and go back and check it out again or as many times as you need to be sure. It might surprise you.
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I have driven it for some minutes. My father just bought a M240i. It's a great car and a lot of value for money..

The m240i will cost 80k, so I have to drive it for like 3 years otherwise I will lose a lot of money again.. The M3 between two or three years will have a good value still..
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F80 M3 and M240i are two completely different monsters. You can push the M240i harder without going to the jail, if that makes sense. It is a ton of fun and is not underpowered at all.

I believe this particular version comes with 19" rims, which are very beautiful. These rims aren't just 19's... these are forged, so the chances of bending them are much smaller than regular rims.

Also, while you'll feel less G's on the straight line compared to the F80, I think you can have more fun in twisty backroads. That's just how the smaller chassi behaves.

Go to another bmw forum like the E90Post to get a second (maybe less biased) opinion.
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I own a M240i and have driven the M2, M3 and M4 (on and off track). The best car for me IMHO is the M3 with the competition package. I was really amazed how much front end grip the car has and I really liked how agressive the car felt. You don't get that with the M240i, nowhere near. The only thing that really bothered me with the M3 ZCP was the harsh ride. The roads where I live aren't exactly perfect and here is where the M240i shines. It's a great every day car. Great in town or on the autobahn doing long distance traveling. But I was smiling much more when I drove the M3 on a twisty road.

I recommend you thoroughly test the M240i and see for yourself if it's the right decision.
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when i was looking to replace my 16 cayman s i test drove a 2015 m4 and a 2017 m2 and m240i
i chose the m240i

i love the b58 engine...less lag than the s55 or n35 and buttery smooth

the compact size and compliant ride also sold me

if you will track your car you will miss your m3 big time
..but as a road car you will likely only miss the sharper handling and better aesthetics
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I had an F80 and traded it for a Camaro SS. I regretted it not because of the performance but rather because of the aesthetics and build quality. Then I traded the Camaro in for a VW GTI and was much happier. The GTI had less power and worst performance in every way but it is a more fun car to drive. I have an m240i now and I definitely enjoy it more than the Camaro or the F80 M3. I've built it into a track car and am now taking a step further to build it into a race car. We are running out of space for cars so I am going to sell my 911 GTS, not the m240i. It's all about perspective and rest assured that just because a car is more expensive or has more cache doesn't mean that you'll like it more. One of my favorite cars that I've owned was a '99 boxster that I paid $4000 USD...

With all that said, if you are giving up the F80 because of money, then you will probably regret your choice. If you are getting out of it and into something you want more, then you'll never miss it. Based on your motives, it sounds to me like you should keep the F80.
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Thank you all for your replies once again!

I probably will go with the M240i. The F80 M3 will be missed, but I know I could have the some fun with the M240i. The only time I enjoy the F80 M3 is in the weekend, but when that's over I still can't stop thinking about the monthly payment and all the other costs will come with the F80. I have probably overestimated myself. No issue after all, just a hard lesson..

It's full M Performance the M240i, only doubt is that if it's need a LSD?
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I had an F80 and traded it for a Camaro SS. I regretted it not because of the performance but rather because of the aesthetics and build quality. Then I traded the Camaro in for a VW GTI and was much happier. The GTI had less power and worst performance in every way but it is a more fun car to drive. I have an m240i now and I definitely enjoy it more than the Camaro or the F80 M3. I've built it into a track car and am now taking a step further to build it into a race car. We are running out of space for cars so I am going to sell my 911 GTS, not the m240i. It's all about perspective and rest assured that just because a car is more expensive or has more cache doesn't mean that you'll like it more. One of my favorite cars that I've owned was a '99 boxster that I paid $4000 USD...

With all that said, if you are giving up the F80 because of money, then you will probably regret your choice. If you are getting out of it and into something you want more, then you'll never miss it. Based on your motives, it sounds to me like you should keep the F80.
ok i gotta ask the question in everyones mind:
why do you prefer the m240i over the 911gts(991 or 997)?

i like m240i...but no question i enjoyed my 981 cayman s more than it

and i totally get the feelings about the SS
2 days after moving from a cayman to a c7 i wanted the cayman back
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Thank you all for your replies once again!

I probably will go with the M240i. The F80 M3 will be missed, but I know I could have the some fun with the M240i. The only time I enjoy the F80 M3 is in the weekend, but when that's over I still can't stop thinking about the monthly payment and all the other costs will come with the F80. I have probably overestimated myself. No issue after all, just a hard lesson..

It's full M Performance the M240i, only doubt is that if it's need a LSD?
If you only plan on driving it on the streets, you really don't need to do anything with it. However, my mentality is a little different than most folks. If you install an LSD, you'll never feel it on the streets. If you mod the suspension, you'll never use it on the streets. It's a matter of how your $$$ will be used and in the case of street driving, I don't see how mods will improve the drivability.

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ok i gotta ask the question in everyones mind:
why do you prefer the m240i over the 911gts(991 or 997)?

i like m240i...but no question i enjoyed my 981 cayman s more than it

and i totally get the feelings about the SS
2 days after moving from a cayman to a c7 i wanted the cayman back
It's a 991.1 GTS, last of the NA engines. The car is special without a doubt - the high revving engine behind you is an incredible experience. It is small, low to the ground, and incredibly practical. I've taken road trips in 911s with 3 dogs (golden retriever, australian shepherd, and boston terrier), a wife, a weekend's worth of luggage. However, since the slot that both the 911 and m240i fills is to be a track car, I prefer the m240i for a few reasons.

First reason is the cost. Out of the box, the 911 wins hands down on the track. However, I want to be a bit more competitive so I will naturally add a bunch of suspension mods, an LSD, brakes, some aero, etc. That will need to be done to both cars. The cost to build out the 911 plus the cost of the car would be the cost of a new loaded GT3. With the m240i, by the time I am done building out the car, it will cost less than the price of the 911. Plus, the parts and running costs are much lower with the m240i. If I spin out, drive off track, or crack a wheel with the m240i, no biggie. I would be heart broken (and wallet broken) if I did that to the 911.

Secondly, the m240i is easier to drive at the limit. If the rear steps out, the front engine layout is much more forgiving. The difference is similar to comparing street tires with R comps or Hoosiers. Street tires communicate better than the stickier tires and give you more time to react. The m240i allows for some mistakes and will still let you recover even with bigger mistakes. If the rear steps out a little too much, the rear engine will sling shot the back of the car around and there is no recovering from that.

Lastly, the m240i build has really given the car some soul. In stock form, it is a wonderful daily driver - it's comfortable, it's small and relatively nimble, the iDrive is the best infotainment system out there, and it's relatively inexpensive for what you get. After just a few mods, it livens up as a pretty good track car. It is very heavy (3800lb with 3/4 tank and me in it) but it doesn't drive like its weight. Dial in those mods with the support of a great race shop and the car is very fast around the track. Throw in a few extra mods along with expert adjustments and the car is now competitive. When I mention that the car has a soul, I am referring to the feeling that it gives me. It will never have the sound that only a NA 911 can make, but it does get my heart pumping in other ways.

I'm sure that was much more response that you were looking for so to summarize: The m240i simply fits my objectives better than the 911 does. If I could only have one of them in stock form and never went to the track, I would take the 911 without a doubt. But for what I want to do with the car, I would take the m240i, not an M2/M3/M4/911/Cayman/Ferrari/etc.
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