[ska///235i]

Originally Posted by bimmer4life24

its not a fail if they want the M2 to be superior to the M235i and I believe that is what they are doing.

I dont think the lsd alone will break the deal from m235 to m2. It'll have a CF roof, better suspension & brakes, way better cooling system (as seem with the m3/4), wider fenders...etc

Bmw isnt going to slap a lsd on a 235 and call it a m2...looking at the m3/4 pricing we can assume the m2 will be priced @ mid $50k. You add lsd to the m235 and your just $7k off from an M2. But Im just guessing, the m2 might price at $60k

[hyperzulu]

Originally Posted by ska325xi

I dont think the lsd alone will break the deal from m235 to m2. It'll have a CF roof, better suspension & brakes, way better cooling system (as seem with the m3/4), wider fenders...etc

This differential offers partial lockup. I would assume an M2 would have a better diff as well.

[bernstem]

Assuming it gets a similar differential to the M3/4, the M2 differential will be significantly different from the M performance differential. The 235 LSD is mechanical and I have seen no evidence of active control of lock-up. The M3/4 diff is actively controlled and capable of 100% lock-up.

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by bernstem

Assuming it gets a similar differential to the M3/4, the M2 differential will be significantly different from the M performance differential. The 235 LSD is mechanical and I have seen no evidence of active control of lock-up. The M3/4 diff is actively controlled and capable of 100% lock-up.

You think it would be possible / worth waiting for those looking to add the LSD to put the M2 one in the M235? Don't want to spend $3600 now when next year I could spend $4K or something and get one that's significantly better. I can wait a year.

[bimmer4life24]

Originally Posted by ska325xi

I dont think the lsd alone will break the deal from m235 to m2. It'll have a CF roof, better suspension & brakes, way better cooling system (as seem with the m3/4), wider fenders...etc

Bmw isnt going to slap a lsd on a 235 and call it a m2...looking at the m3/4 pricing we can assume the m2 will be priced @ mid $50k. You add lsd to the m235 and your just $7k off from an M2. But Im just guessing, the m2 might price at $60k

Not saying LSD is the only difference. Just saying they will make it superior meaning all the little things will add up to one amazing machine.

Also, there is no way the M2 would be priced at $60k. The E46 M3 was price around $49K. I expect to see the M2 priced around that number. $5-$6k over the M235i makes a lot of sense. Anything higher and BMW is losing a big market of customers. They're smarter than that.

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by bimmer4life24

Not saying LSD is the only difference. Just saying they will make it superior meaning all the little things will add up to one amazing machine.

Also, there is no way the M2 would be priced at $60k. The E46 M3 was price around $49K. I expect to see the M2 priced around that number. $5-$6k over the M235i makes a lot of sense. Anything higher and BMW is losing a big market of customers. They're smarter than that.

So wait, if the general consensus is that M2 will have LSD standard (if that's wrong sorry I am not super up to speed) wouldn't that make the premium over a comparable equipped 235 w $3600 LSD like $2500? That seems like a no brainer upgrade why wouldn't you get the M2?

[bimmer4life24]

Originally Posted by BEM-S4

So wait, if the general consensus is that M2 will have LSD standard (if that's wrong sorry I am not super up to speed) wouldn't that make the premium over a comparable equipped 235 w $3600 LSD like $2500? That seems like a no brainer upgrade why wouldn't you get the M2?

You got it all right. Except the $3600 includes installation costs. M2 will come with it standard.

BMW is just putting a premium on it for customers that can't wait for an M2 IMO.

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by bimmer4life24

You got it all right. Except the $3600 includes installation costs. M2 will come with it standard.

BMW is just putting a premium on it for customers that can't wait for an M2 IMO.

Well in that case I went from 99% sure to 100% sure that I am turning in my M235 at lease end, with no LSD installed, and getting a comparably equipped M2. That seems like the no brainer of the century if pricing is as expected.

[ska///235i]

Originally Posted by bimmer4life24

Not saying LSD is the only difference. Just saying they will make it superior meaning all the little things will add up to one amazing machine.

Also, there is no way the M2 would be priced at $60k. The E46 M3 was price around $49K. I expect to see the M2 priced around that number. $5-$6k over the M235i makes a lot of sense. Anything higher and BMW is losing a big market of customers. They're smarter than that.

Theres no way an M2 with only cost $5k more than the M235. Knowing BMW, they will not do that.

It will be price below the M3 and above the 1M...should be in line with the rest of the real M models

[pikcachu]

ya M2 should be in the 53-54 range at least

[Delnari]

Given the option list for an M2 to include CCB's and aero body addons my guest is more like mid 60's out the door.

[flyga3]

Originally Posted by spmd11

It is not a waste on the streets. If you drove an M3 daily, you would therefore be enlightened and perhaps change your mind.

Enlightened eh?
We need to remember the purpose of the mechanical LSD: even power distribution. On the street if you are planning to take a corner onto the highway on-ramp at high speed to power out and accelerate, or take a 4-way intersection hot at high speed (60+) and make that right/left hand turn to power fully out, or just do drag-boring-racing, then OK an LSD can be useful on the street--if STREET RACING is your gig, then to each their own. Not for me.

I just recently built a race car (check my Garage List) and with a 4.5 power-to-weight ratio, LSD, slicks, 6/4 pot Wilwoods, I'll keep my road racing and performance on the track where it belongs.
Sure if I had extra money to burn on a daily driver then an M3 would be awesome. However tires, fuel, pads, tow rig, and travel expenses cost mucho and my funds are better spent there.

Hopefully you have taken your M3 on the track and used its capabilities fully. If so, then you can relate.
Nothing like paying for all this capability, and some people never even use it.

I'm looking for a driver's daily driver and I think a 228 M-pack will do it, WITHOUT LSD, but with a 6MT of course!
BMW makes excellent street cars that perform great on the street for this purpose. (I mean BMW is the SAV-X capital of the world, but I digress ) Pay for the upgrades you will use; LSD for a 2-series is way overkill for the street at $4K; even at this price if I were tracking the car would be hard to justify unless I was pro-racing it. I have tracked all my BMW-cars (not X's) and looking back, there is no way I would spend $4K for LSD. (Instead I sold both my BMWs to build this race car! )

My point to everyone: spend the money on better things like tires, brake upgrades, harness bar, belts, etc that you can utilize on the street too. If you are going to track it extensively, then maybe. But again, to each their own with their cash.

[flyga3]

Originally Posted by hyperzulu

Not really. I know a few Porsche owners who would be just as well off in a Lexus. They bought the P car because they could and because they are a little douchey that way. Most people will never use it on the streets. Just because someone frequents this site doesn't mean they are clipping the apex of every right hand turn and powering out of it to merge onto the highway with enough frequency and general hooliganism to warrant spending that much.

Nicely said!

[bernstem]

Originally Posted by BEM-S4

You think it would be possible / worth waiting for those looking to add the LSD to put the M2 one in the M235? Don't want to spend $3600 now when next year I could spend $4K or something and get one that's significantly better. I can wait a year.

There is no way to know how much work would be required to fit an M2 diff to a 235, but... there is a good chance that the entire rear subframe will be different on the M2 making a differential swap rather mechanically difficult. While you can probably swap in an M2 rear subframe with enough work, it is ignoring two other significant issues. Firstly, the gear ratio is likely to be different. That may not be a game breaker depending on the M2 engine redline and transmission, but it may be quite problematic. Secondly, if there is active control, retrofitting it to the 235 will be difficult, if not impossible, as the control modules won't be on the M235 and the wiring harness won't be compatible.

Bottom line, I wouldn't expect the M2 diff to work on the 235.

[bimmer4life24]

Originally Posted by ska325xi

Theres no way an M2 with only cost $5k more than the M235. Knowing BMW, they will not do that.

It will be price below the M3 and above the 1M...should be in line with the rest of the real M models

Why do you think BMW will make the M2 cost drastically more than the 1M and E46 M3? I mean even the initial E92 M3 was $56k with a V8.

M2 will be the new generation E46 M3 that appeals to BMWs young market. Mid 50s would steer that market away to other manufactures. You have to also look at it from a marketing standpoint.

Plus, remember the M235i will be gone when the M2 arrives. It will be replaced by a 235i or "tii" as others have noted with a 4 cylinder. The price tag on that will more than likely be dropped to around $41k (where the 135i was). Now your looking at a $9k difference for the M2.

$49,900 with destination! Mark it!

[ska///235i]

Originally Posted by bimmer4life24

Why do you think BMW will make the M2 cost drastically more than the 1M and E46 M3? I mean even the initial E92 M3 was $56k with a V8.

M2 will be the new generation E46 M3 that appeals to BMWs young market. Mid 50s would steer that market away to other manufactures. You have to also look at it from a marketing standpoint.

Plus, remember the M235i will be gone when the M2 arrives. It will be replaced by a 235i or "tii" as others have noted with a 4 cylinder. The price tag on that will more than likely be dropped to around $41k (where the 135i was). Now your looking at a $9k difference for the M2.

$49,900 with destination! Mark it!

lol i like your thinking.....only if we're still in 1990s

[bimmer4life24]

Originally Posted by ska325xi

lol i like your thinking.....only if we're still in 1990s

E46 M3 was produced through the year 2006 at $49k

[ska///235i]

Originally Posted by bimmer4life24

E46 M3 was produced through the year 2006 at $49k

Where are you getting your info from?
So you're saying the m235i will be discontinue and the replacement will be a 235tii with a 4 cylinder.
Then the M2 will be a cheap priced M car for $48k so everyone can reminisce the good old bmw days?? Rofl

[Bama335]

Originally Posted by bimmer4life24

$49,900 with destination! Mark it!

Man, if that's true, sign me up - sadly, the reality by the time the M2 actually gets here will probably be more like $59,900 with destination.

[bimmer4life24]

Originally Posted by ska325xi

Where are you getting your info from?

http://m.autos.aol.com/2006-bmw-m3/overview/

[ska///235i]

Originally Posted by bimmer4life24

http://m.autos.aol.com/2006-bmw-m3/overview/" rel="" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://m.autos.aol.c.../overview/</a>

Ok buddy, we're not talking about e46 pricing.

[bimmer4life24]

Originally Posted by ska325xi

Where are you getting your info from?

Originally Posted by ska325xi

Ok buddy, we're not talking about e46 pricing.

Did you not ask me where I got my info from?

My point is the M3...or M4 now...has evolved into a higher class model since 2008, replacing the E46 M3. Therefore, BMW will not lose that E46 market so they will replace it with the M2 (market in similar price range).

THE M2 IS NOT A HIGHER CLASS CAR THAN THE E46 M3 PERIOD.

But to be honest, if a lot more people talk like you here thinking of a high price tag, your just giving BMW an excuse to overprice their cars some more.