[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by BEM-S4

My $0.02 on tires: even if you're leasing chances are you'll have to replace your tires at least once before turn in. Why not get summers and a winter setup? Replacing the run flats will run what, $1K by the time you mount and balance and everything maybe more with sensors? You can get a very nice winter setup for $1400-$1600 and have the best setup for both summer and winter. You will get 2x as much wear out of your summers (from a time perspective).

One other thing to keep in mind, winter does not equal winter everyplace. I split my time between Chicago and the East Coast. Chicago is 100x easier to drive in because it's flat compared to NY / PA. You could get away with all seasons in Chicago no doubt, but I wouldn't for the aforementioned reasons.

You said it better than me - I have had Blizzaks for each BMW I have owned and they are worth their respective weight in gold. I can usually squeeze 3 winter seasons out of them before replacing is necessary too.

Additionally, in terms of lease turn in - all they give a shit about, in my experience, is the tread on the tires at the time the car is dropped off. I just turned in my 135 with non RFT Hankooks that had good tread on them - which were my mid lease replacement for the shitty RFTs the car came with.

Just sayin.

[Red Bread]

Same, turned our 1er in with non RFT Michelins and not a word was said.

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

You said it better than me - I have had Blizzaks for each BMW I have owned and they are worth their respective weight in gold. I can usually squeeze 3 winter seasons out of them before replacing is necessary too.

Additionally, in terms of lease turn in - all they give a shit about, in my experience, is the tread on the tires at the time the car is dropped off. I just turned in my 135 with non RFT Hankooks that had good tread on them - which were my mid lease replacement for the shitty RFTs the car came with.

Just sayin.

Yeah as long as they are similar spec to a stock option (speed rating, etc) and there's tread you'll be fine.

Blizzaks are definitely worth their weight in gold. My Touareg with Pirelli Scorpions (really expensive tires) is much worse in the snow than my old S4 with a set of Blizzaks on it. That thing was like a mountain goat.

[Killramos]

Originally Posted by BEM-S4

If you're not pushing the car in the snow and are driving in "get home safely and don't hit anything" mode, will the LSD be of any benefit?

The thing is when you are in the snow you are basically always driving the car at it's handling limit (think of how easy it is to slip with slight power or steering changes). Has nothing to do with racing. So in this case a LSD will be useful. Will help stop you from getting stuck at a light etc.

So in the case of snow even when driving like grandma the LSD will help. Similar to how Awd helps.

[Killramos]

Originally Posted by ska325xi

With lsd..u think all seasons will be good enough in the winters where there're snow?? (Asking out loud)

All season tires are garbage (I live in Canada and deal with snow ice and -40 C cold) tires just can't perform in these conditions and not melt on a hot summer day. Almost literally.

So if you get anyone than 1 month a year of freezing temperatures and lasting snow get winter tires. They really don't cost that Much. And they make your other set last longer. Realistically we are talking about ~1500 dollars that in my case I will use 8 months of the year.

We have provinces up where where it is illegal to drive in winter without pure winter tires.

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by Killramos

The thing is when you are in the snow you are basically always driving the car at it's handling limit (think of how easy it is to slip with slight power or steering changes). Has nothing to do with racing. So in this case a LSD will be useful. Will help stop you from getting stuck at a light etc.

So in the case of snow even when driving like grandma the LSD will help. Similar to how Awd helps.

Gotcha, thanks. My main concern is just taking the 235 and not being able to get home if it snows while I am at work or whatever. Got other cars to drive and if it's total crap I just work from home.

[Killramos]

Originally Posted by BEM-S4

Gotcha, thanks. My main concern is just taking the 235 and not being able to get home if it snows while I am at work or whatever. Got other cars to drive and if it's total crap I just work from home.

Well I got brave one day and drove mine through a pretty bad blizzard. Roads covered in slush and -8. All this with my Pilot Super Sports on. The car was VERY well behaved, I expected much worse.

I wouldn't worry about it to much. I don't.

Unfortunately we still get snow storms in May here lol.

I bought the car as my daily. So far it's better behaved than my Gti was and that had winters. It's amazing what 50:50 weight distribution will do for you and modern traction control.

[leesat]

m performance or quaife?

[ciwhamc]

I like the quafe but I also like the warranty.

[hyperzulu]

Originally Posted by ciwhamc

I like the quafe but I also like the warranty.

Quaife has a lifetime warranty, which is better than the M Performance warranty.

[Delnari]

GetBMWParts.com now has it listed for $2495!

http://www.getbmwparts.com/partlocat...catalogid=4462

[ska///235i]

Ok, In saving up for this....under $3k installed sounds more like it

[TB///M3]

Originally Posted by ska325xi

Ok, In saving up for this....under $3k installed sounds more like it

Ska325xi, thanks to you in introducing sunmotorcars from eBay, I got a few accessories from them, best price around. I've mentioned the LSD and he price one out shipped to me. I don't want to quote it, but its very tempting. Email or call Brian.

[ska///235i]

Originally Posted by 2blue4you

Ska325xi, thanks to you in introducing sunmotorcars from eBay, I got a few accessories from them, best price around. I've mentioned the LSD and he price one out shipped to me. I don't want to quote it, but its very tempting. Email or call Brian.

Dude...PM me

[TB///M3]

Originally Posted by ska325xi

Dude...PM me

Pm'ed

[F30form]

Originally Posted by hyperzulu

Quaife has a lifetime warranty, which is better than the M Performance warranty.

Except for the fact that if anything related to the drivetrain goes wrong while the quaife is installed there goes your drivetrain warranty...

[ciwhamc]

Originally Posted by F30form

Except for the fact that if anything related to the drivetrain goes wrong while the quaife is installed there goes your drivetrain warranty...

Not sure they would know as it is inside the factory housing. And from what I understand about quafe diff's. The car do not appear to be LSD when on the lift.

[hyperzulu]

Originally Posted by F30form

Except for the fact that if anything related to the drivetrain goes wrong while the quaife is installed there goes your drivetrain warranty...

They would need to prove the aftermarket diff caused the problem. They can't just blanket deny a claim because you modified the car. If the diff failed catastrophically and it caused other parts to fail, then sure. But if the diff is working perfectly and the transmission died on its own, they can't prove the diff caused it and they have to perform the repairs. Part of the Magnasson-Moss Warranty Act makes that clear that oem parts are not a requirement for honoring the warranty.

[Delnari]

Factory part will cover you without question. Dealerships can denied warranty claims when they "suspect" it may have been caused by the aftermarket product. Bottom line, you have the law on your side, but the dealer has the control of the situation. You would be left to fight it out with them or worse in the courts which could be many months with a broken car that you will more than likely have to pay out of pocket until it gets resolved. Having the option of factory parts eliminates all the possible bad outcomes. Just my 2 cents.

[F30form]

Originally Posted by Delnari

Factory part will cover you without question. Dealerships can denied warranty claims when they "suspect" it may have been caused by the aftermarket product. Bottom line, you have the law on your side, but the dealer has the control of the situation. You would be left to fight it out with them or worse in the courts which could be many months with a broken car that you will more than likely have to pay out of pocket until it gets resolved. Having the option of factory parts eliminates all the possible bad outcomes. Just my 2 cents.

This is EXACTLY what I am saying. You might have the upper hand as far as the law is concerned, but when it comes down to it do you really want to fight this in court? You have to prove that the part did not cause the situation, which can be quite tricky from a technical aspect.

Lets see, lifetime warranty on a ~$3k part, or the whole warranty on your $50k car. Seems like a no brainer to me.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by BEM-S4

Yeah as long as they are similar spec to a stock option (speed rating, etc) and there's tread you'll be fine.

Blizzaks are definitely worth their weight in gold. My Touareg with Pirelli Scorpions (really expensive tires) is much worse in the snow than my old S4 with a set of Blizzaks on it. That thing was like a mountain goat.

Oh yeah, you had AWD on the S4 right? Something like that with Blizzaks is something fierce in the snow for sure.

[hyperzulu]

Originally Posted by F30form

This is EXACTLY what I am saying. You might have the upper hand as far as the law is concerned, but when it comes down to it do you really want to fight this in court? You have to prove that the part did not cause the situation, which can be quite tricky from a technical aspect.

Lets see, lifetime warranty on a ~$3k part, or the whole warranty on your $50k car. Seems like a no brainer to me.

Except that every time I see a thread regarding drivetrain malfunction, it has nothing to do with anything in the drivetrain. Failures seem to be common within a model. I would have loved to laugh in the face of a service advisor that tried to blame your aftermarket intake for the N54 fuel pump issues. If something breaks down on your BMW, it is likely that many more people have experienced the same. I don't think it'll be a huge fight by bmwna if they know some of the transmissions on the M235s have a loose bolt that results in premature failure.

I think it is a hefty price to pay for piece of mind of an unlikely event, especially considering it will need to be rebuilt when the clutches wear out, making it even more expensive in the beginning and throughout the life of the car. Just my point of view. Beside, I never heard of a car detonating and burning to a crisp from a differential, so "the whole warranty on your $50k car" is not even remotely at risk.