[shivaswrath]

Originally Posted by Bowser330

Or it could just be a stock manipulation play. Quick way to make a million bucks for your hedge fund. Short BMW stock.

This!^^^
Ducking hedge funds.

[krnnerdboy]

There's only one Diesel engine I trust and that's a cummins

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by BEMR

Now there may be a new meaning to the word :
"Fahrvergnügen" means "driving enjoyment" in English (from fahren, "to drive," and vergnügen, "enjoyment"). One of the tag lines incorporating the word was: "Fahrvergnügen: It's what makes a car a Volkswagen".
To lie, deceive, cheat on a paper, fabricate, :use in a sentence- " I liked the deal but found out I was completely fahrvergnugened".

See this article (with the punch line: "It turns out the iconic Beetle isn't the only bug in the Volkswagen lineup").

[HuskerFan85]

Originally Posted by dbworld4k

Yup.

VW stock already bounced back by 5% this morning lol. Whoever bought yesterday, made a nice quick profit. 5% gain in 24 hours is amazing for an investor.

if you buy and sell right away. on the other hand you can get cuy trying to catch that falling knife

anyways.. The lesson here is never go for investing advice on a car forum

[Danyutz]

Of all manufacturers, they found BMW, the only brand that keeps the CO2 emissions lower than any direct competitor .. sheesh

[300hp]

Originally Posted by Artemis

See this article (with the punch line: "It turns out the iconic Beetle isn't the only bug in the Volkswagen lineup").

"It's expected 11 million cars will be recalled, by order of the EPA, at an estimated cost of over $7 billion"



Did someone at Cleveland.com check how this would work? The EPA only has jurisdiction over the 500,000 or so cars sold in the U.S. Not the 10.5 million sold worldwide

[Bols]

Autobild being Autobild.. possibly full of shit as always And the guy behind it and his followers probably also with pockets full.. of dough that is from shorting!

[Harry Da Hamster]

Originally Posted by Railgun

Ha. Just wait until the other shoe drops when they start looking into gas/petrol engines.

Not going to happen. Gasoline engines are significantly cleaner than Diesel. Honda is a world innovator in engines and clean emissions, this is precisely why they never ventured into diesel.

[kent11202]

Originally Posted by krnnerdboy

There's only one Diesel engine I trust and that's a cummins

Cummins is a very good engine BUT, my first choice would be Cat (I have some yellow blood in my system)

[ORIGIN M.]

Honda is actually making Diesel Engines!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_N_engine

Just not seeing them in North America, thats all.

Originally Posted by FNG

Not going to happen. Gasoline engines are significantly cleaner than Diesel. Honda is a world innovator in engines and clean emissions, this is precisely why they never ventured into diesel.

[bimmin]

Whats sad is that this company was able to get away with it for 6 years before the government was able to do anything about it.

[caycep]

Are BMW shares publicly traded? My impression was that it was a privately owned company?

[Diver]

I believe an investigation will find a significant difference between test and real world performance of a wide swath of diesel powered cars and light trucks. This variation will in most cases not be the result of a defeat device. However, it will lead to revised testing procedures for diesel powered cars and light trucks.

[nockenpaul]

Auto Bild is getting cold feet now. They just published this press release:

"AUTO BILD clarifies: No indication of exhaust manipulation at BMW"

Source (Google Translate): https://translate.google.de/translat...086&edit-text=

Source in German: http://www.presseportal.de/pm/53065/3131086

Auto Bild website: http://www.autobild.de/artikel/klars...l-6920195.html

[nate82]

I would be curious as to what the road results would show on a Diesel Cruze or any Domestic Diesel pickup truck for that matter.

[larryn]

7% devaluation on a single magazine uncorroborated test in an article.

You have to wonder if people do stuff like this to short a bunch of shares...

[SCOTT26]

Yes BMW and their majority shareholders the Quandt's are not very happy with AutoBild at the moment.

[SCOTT26]

But for some humour.

[vladberca]

AutoBild plays dirty with their article!
As a note, for every manufacturer the noxes are related to fuel consumption. It's impossible to match their statements so the noxes are for sure higher.
But to cheat an entire World is a big bluff!

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Yes BMW and their majority shareholders the Quandt's are not very happy with AutoBild at the moment.

Jalopnik sided with BMW on this one. They quoted a European engine expert who concluded: "In summary, BMW is just playing by the rules to be competitive. VW is cheating."
http://jalopnik.com/german-magazine-...tes-1732767600

"Today that the German government announced that this VW issue effects many of European diesel engines too. They’ve identified the 1.6 and 2.0 diesels, but it is just a matter of time before they realise that a different algorithm is limiting the urea flow in the 3.0 diesel. The ICCT had data from Emissions Analytics from PEMs testing of an Audi A8 with the 3.0 diesel. This was x22 times over the 80mg/km NOx limit.
Yesterday the EU voted in an amendment to the EU6 legislation, to enforce the Real Driving Emissions tests on passenger cars from 2017. This was voted on in the Environmental council, and apparently supersedes the authority of the body that was supposed to handle this matter. The car industry (predominantly VW) had been pushing for a deviation factor of x3-x5 times the legal limits for “in-use” testing. Yesterday’s decision will bring the deviation factor to X1.5 times the emission limits in the test cycle. This will be difficult for vehicles with lean NOx traps, or SCRs with small urea tanks.
The reason why being eleven times over the EU emissions is mostly ok is a little complicated.
Basically, different speed load profile in the EU cycle to the US cycle - US cycle is very tough, and runs the engines up to full load in most cases. EU cycle is more like 50% load and max 2200rpm.
Warm up profile of engines from cold start (25degC ambient temp) means that the engine will behave differently outside the specific EU cycle and at different ambient temps. This is called cycle beating but it is currently legal. Most PEMs measurements are taken from a hot engine - this is not the case during the drive cycle. Engines are optimized to lower NOx emissions during the warmup phase, and the hot fast section is at higher engine loads.
The defeat devices that VW are using turn off the emissions controls when the steering wheel is being used.
There is a ‘real world’ measurement using PEMs by Emissions Analytics of a EU6 compliant Audi A8 with the 3.0 diesel. This was x22 times over the EU limit of NOx, hence it will have a defeat device restricting the urea flow when not driven on a chassis dynamometer.
In summary, BMW is just playing by the rules to be competitive. VW is cheating."

[krnnerdboy]

This would explain the climate change as of late. So cal feels like Florida.

Dear Volkswagen,
please recall your diesels so that we can can have our dry heat back

[MikeVictor]

Originally Posted by Bowser330

Or it could just be a stock manipulation play. Quick way to make a million bucks for your hedge fund. Short BMW stock.

I was thinking the same thing!