Anyone considering Golf R?

Kief · 12-17-2013, 10:43 AM

I would seriously consider the R if it came here in 2014. Had a MkV GTI and liked it overall. I just disliked the torque steer and crappy brakes. The R's AWD will obviously remedy the TS, but don't know about the brakes...

rca06Mcoupe · 12-28-2013, 10:58 AM

The VW UK configurator will now let you price out the 2015 Golf R and also the 2015 GTI.

M.barnes · 12-28-2013, 02:33 PM

Comes in at £4k less than my m235i in similar spec although golf has 4wd.

Will stick with my m235i I reckon.

Ramos · 12-28-2013, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Transfer

Unless VW changes the new R significantly from the MkVI, the M235i will be the more enjoyable and higher performance car. The biggest downfall with the current R is inability to turn off traction control. They gotta fix that and make it 60/40 RWD bias. Do that with the increase in power and it will be awesome.

The new MkVII GTI with performance pack is going to kick ass as well but won't have the power:weight ratio that most of us are used to. When my wife's X1 lease is up I'm pretty sure she'll get a PPack GTI with DSG. It's supposed to be a revelation in performance FWD driving dynamics.

MK7 R will have 3 options of traction control: ESC (standard), ESC Sport (one touch button), and ESC Off (holding the button). So yes you will be able to turn traction off.

Still waiting on word about the haldex ratio. 60/40 RWD bias does sound pretty fun for it though.

Are you sure it's fully defeat able? According to Jeremy Clarkson it still isn't on GTI mkvII

Edit: I read the article and it says that ESC can be fully turned off but "only" on the R
Meaning that it still cannot be fully turned off on the GTI as confirmed by top gear

imported_gear_shift · 12-29-2013, 09:17 AM

I'm sure it's a great hot hatch. Probably one of the best.

Just beware of the reliability.

This is just a personal experience but after owning a e87 120d and e81 123d - Zero issues - i'm having trouble with my two VW Golfs.

VW Golf VI 1.6 TDI CR 105PS Variant - Clutch gone at 37.000kms. Door locks stuck on back doors.

VW Golf V GTI Edition 30 230PS - Spark Plugs gone at 50.000kms. Squeaking timing chain at 70.000kms. Anti-knock sensors kaput at 75.000kms. (before you say I used lousy fuel, I always use 98RON BP fuel, from pumps who move large volumes of fuel)

In 2002 I had a VW Golf IV 1.9 TDI 130PS - Injector-pump failure (1500$), engine mount failure, side windows dove into the doors (yes, both), Cracked exhaust manifolds.

I think I'm done with the Golf.

pocoyo_3 · 12-29-2013, 04:13 PM

Considering a Golf GTi as an alternative (once they become available in the US). The Golf R seems a step too far and puts the Golf into another price category. Besides, the 4-wheel drive just adds mass, and for most of the time it's a front wheel drive car anyway (until the Haldex clutch detects slip).

scanspeak · 12-29-2013, 04:52 PM

The Golf isn't in the same league.

Rupes · 12-29-2013, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by scanspeak

The Golf isn't in the same league.

Nice review. Let's see if he feels the same way about the R (not GTI). We don't get the M135 in the states so it's kind of a moot point.

bimmer4life24 · 12-30-2013, 01:17 PM

This thread is to compare the Golf R...not the GTI, guys.

rca06Mcoupe · 02-11-2014, 10:47 AM

Has the Golf-R been at any of the auto shows (since Detroit)?

If anyone had seen it or sat in it I'd like your impressions

Red Bread · 02-11-2014, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by rca06Mcoupe

Has the Golf-R been at any of the auto shows (since Detroit)?

If anyone had seen it or sat in it I'd like your impressions

Dallas will have a Mk7 GTI, but it won't be open and there will not be an R at all. I don't think US spec R's have been sighted yet.

bimmer4life24 · 02-11-2014, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by rca06Mcoupe

Has the Golf-R been at any of the auto shows (since Detroit)?

If anyone had seen it or sat in it I'd like your impressions

It was at the Chicago Auto Show. Sorry I didn't get any pics of the interior. The interior is similar to the MK6 except a bigger screen and additional buttons. IMO I prefer the interior over the Audi S3.

Overall, it looks better in person and a great car overall.

Kief · 02-11-2014, 01:18 PM

If only it would get here before Jan 2015 (and that date is hoping there aren't any added delays)

Red Bread · 02-11-2014, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kief

If only it would get here before Jan 2015 (and that date is hoping there aren't any added delays)

My dealer (certainly not an icon of knowledge) claims August - September of this year for the start of US R deliveries. Production is already going for the ROW models, and will stay in Germany for the time being since the Pueblo plant isn't setup for Haldex. Getting the Pueblo plant up to speed has been the primary reason for the delay of the US GTI.

Kief · 02-11-2014, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Bread

My dealer (certainly not an icon of knowledge) claims August - September of this year for the start of US R deliveries. Production is already going for the ROW models, and will stay in Germany for the time being since the Pueblo plant isn't setup for Haldex. Getting the Pueblo plant up to speed has been the primary reason for the delay of the US GTI.

Yeah, I read about the R still being manufactured in Germany due to the Haldex...but everything I have read about US deliveries says "first quarter 2015"
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...onal-auto-show

Red Bread · 02-11-2014, 01:40 PM

I have no reason to doubt that. VW USA tends to get things well after everyone else. I'm first on my dealer's list, and not really in any rush, so early next year would actually work for me.

cvandenhaute · 02-11-2014, 02:51 PM

The R is definitely on my list of cars to test drive but I fear that the weight distribution and higher center of gravity are not going to impress me, but who knows. It should be better than my '08 R32 but I will miss the engine note and exhaust (but not the weight it puts on the front axle)

rca06Mcoupe · 02-15-2014, 08:07 AM

On page 16 of the ordering brochure (Volkswagon.UK) there is a picture of the interior of the new Golf R.

On page 38 the specs are available for the Golf R including the weight.

I tried to copy these pages for a post, since we were recently talking about these things on the S3, but .... no go with my limited skill set.

Transfer · 02-15-2014, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rca06Mcoupe

On page 16 of the ordering brochure (Volkswagon.UK) there is a picture of the interior of the new Golf R.

On page 38 the specs are available for the Golf R including the weight.

I tried to copy these pages for a post, since we were recently talking about these things on the S3, but .... no go with my limited skill set.

Sooo what's the weight?

Bam226 · 02-15-2014, 12:30 PM

I've owned 2 VW's. A MKV GTI and a MKVI R. They look nice, drive decent and is cheap everywhere else in between. Which is why I made the switch and will not go back.

rca06Mcoupe · 02-15-2014, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Transfer

Sooo what's the weight?

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unladen manual 3254
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Red Bread · 02-15-2014, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rca06Mcoupe

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Originally Posted by Transfer

Sooo what's the weight?

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unladen manual 3254
unladen automatic 3295

Not as low as I'd like to have seen, but a huge improvement over the Mk6 and still a similar power to weight as the M235i.

12-17-2013, 10:43 AM	#23
Kief Major General 4428 Rep 5,724 Posts Drives: '24 iX50; '23 i4 M50 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika iTrader: (26)	I would seriously consider the R if it came here in 2014. Had a MkV GTI and liked it overall. I just disliked the torque steer and crappy brakes. The R's AWD will obviously remedy the TS, but don't know about the brakes... __________________ __________________ '24-I20 iX 50; '23-G26 i4 M50; '22-G82 M4Cx;20-G05 M50i; '20-F82 M4CS; '18-F80 M3CS; '18-F80 M3CS; '18-F85 X5M; '18-G01 X3M40i; '18-F80 M3ZCP; '17-F80 M3ZCP; '15-F15 X5; '15-F82 M4; '12-E92 335is; '11-E70 X5d; '11-E89 Z435is;'09-E89 Z435i; '08-E92 335i; '06-E90 330i; '05-E83 X3; '04-E83 X3; '03-E46 325Ci* *retired
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12-28-2013, 10:58 AM	#24
rca06Mcoupe Private 3 Rep 67 Posts Drives: 2006 M Coupe Imola/Imola Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Boston (area) iTrader: (0)	VW UK Config The VW UK configurator will now let you price out the 2015 Golf R and also the 2015 GTI.
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12-28-2013, 02:33 PM	#25
M.barnes Captain 41 Rep 598 Posts Drives: 123d Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Rugby, uk iTrader: (0)	Comes in at £4k less than my m235i in similar spec although golf has 4wd. Will stick with my m235i I reckon.
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12-29-2013, 09:17 AM	#27
imported_gear_shift New Member 0 Rep 6 Posts Drives: Join Date: Jun 2007 iTrader: (0)	Reliability I'm sure it's a great hot hatch. Probably one of the best. Just beware of the reliability. This is just a personal experience but after owning a e87 120d and e81 123d - Zero issues - i'm having trouble with my two VW Golfs. VW Golf VI 1.6 TDI CR 105PS Variant - Clutch gone at 37.000kms. Door locks stuck on back doors. VW Golf V GTI Edition 30 230PS - Spark Plugs gone at 50.000kms. Squeaking timing chain at 70.000kms. Anti-knock sensors kaput at 75.000kms. (before you say I used lousy fuel, I always use 98RON BP fuel, from pumps who move large volumes of fuel) In 2002 I had a VW Golf IV 1.9 TDI 130PS - Injector-pump failure (1500$), engine mount failure, side windows dove into the doors (yes, both), Cracked exhaust manifolds. I think I'm done with the Golf. Last edited by imported_gear_shift; 12-29-2013 at 10:53 AM..
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12-29-2013, 04:13 PM	#28
pocoyo_3 First Lieutenant 49 Rep 352 Posts Drives: 2006 330i / 6MT Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: San Diego iTrader: (0)	Considering a Golf GTi as an alternative (once they become available in the US). The Golf R seems a step too far and puts the Golf into another price category. Besides, the 4-wheel drive just adds mass, and for most of the time it's a front wheel drive car anyway (until the Haldex clutch detects slip).
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12-29-2013, 04:52 PM	#29
scanspeak Lieutenant 354 Rep 511 Posts Drives: BMW E92 325i 12/2007 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Melbourne, Australia iTrader: (0)	The Golf isn't in the same league.
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12-30-2013, 01:17 PM	#31
bimmer4life24 Lieutenant 268 Rep 505 Posts Drives: 2020 M2 Comp Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Chicago iTrader: (1)	This thread is to compare the Golf R...not the GTI, guys.
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02-11-2014, 10:47 AM	#32
rca06Mcoupe Private 3 Rep 67 Posts Drives: 2006 M Coupe Imola/Imola Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Boston (area) iTrader: (0)	Has the Golf-R been at any of the auto shows (since Detroit)? If anyone had seen it or sat in it I'd like your impressions
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Kief Major General 4428 Rep 5,724 Posts Drives: '24 iX50; '23 i4 M50 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika iTrader: (26)	If only it would get here before Jan 2015 (and that date is hoping there aren't any added delays) __________________ __________________ '24-I20 iX 50; '23-G26 i4 M50; '22-G82 M4Cx;20-G05 M50i; '20-F82 M4CS; '18-F80 M3CS; '18-F80 M3CS; '18-F85 X5M; '18-G01 X3M40i; '18-F80 M3ZCP; '17-F80 M3ZCP; '15-F15 X5; '15-F82 M4; '12-E92 335is; '11-E70 X5d; '11-E89 Z435is;'09-E89 Z435i; '08-E92 335i; '06-E90 330i; '05-E83 X3; '04-E83 X3; '03-E46 325Ci* *retired
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02-11-2014, 01:40 PM	#38
Red Bread Major General 4463 Rep 9,160 Posts Drives: Smog machines Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Austin, TX iTrader: (0)	I have no reason to doubt that. VW USA tends to get things well after everyone else. I'm first on my dealer's list, and not really in any rush, so early next year would actually work for me.
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02-11-2014, 02:51 PM	#39
cvandenhaute First Lieutenant 19 Rep 370 Posts Drives: '11 BMW 128i, '19 Genesis G70 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Nashville, TN iTrader: (0)	The R is definitely on my list of cars to test drive but I fear that the weight distribution and higher center of gravity are not going to impress me, but who knows. It should be better than my '08 R32 but I will miss the engine note and exhaust (but not the weight it puts on the front axle) __________________ 128i manual, AW, Boston Terra Leather, Sport package, Premium Package, Cold Weather Package, HK sound
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02-15-2014, 08:07 AM	#40
rca06Mcoupe Private 3 Rep 67 Posts Drives: 2006 M Coupe Imola/Imola Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Boston (area) iTrader: (0)	Interior, specs On page 16 of the ordering brochure (Volkswagon.UK) there is a picture of the interior of the new Golf R. On page 38 the specs are available for the Golf R including the weight. I tried to copy these pages for a post, since we were recently talking about these things on the S3, but .... no go with my limited skill set.
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02-15-2014, 12:30 PM	#42
Bam226 Lieutenant 105 Rep 455 Posts Drives: BMW 228i M sport Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Portland iTrader: (0)	I've owned 2 VW's. A MKV GTI and a MKVI R. They look nice, drive decent and is cheap everywhere else in between. Which is why I made the switch and will not go back.
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