[twin fed]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Are you going to announce the other edition? Or are you waiting?

WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS MEAN??

[crbalch]

Originally Posted by stvding

Feel kinda regret when i see this post. Apple carplay and wifi hotspot are coming.

Those two things are giving you buyers remorse? To wait two years for Carplay? Also, wifi hotspot? Seems a bit of a stretch there. The N55 is a great engine, just because they change the number to B58 doesnt make it a better engine. It may put a couple more hp out, but not enough for regret to kick in.

Regarding the tech, it'd be nice to have some Apple a bit more seamlessy integrated, but from what I've read Carplay isnt that great. You can still utilize Siri, music, etc already, so it wont be a massive leap.

[stvding]

Originally Posted by crbalch

Those two things are giving you buyers remorse? To wait two years for Carplay? Also, wifi hotspot? Seems a bit of a stretch there. The N55 is a great engine, just because they change the number to B58 doesnt make it a better engine. It may put a couple more hp out, but not enough for regret to kick in.

Regarding the tech, it'd be nice to have some Apple a bit more seamlessy integrated, but from what I've read Carplay isnt that great. You can still utilize Siri, music, etc already, so it wont be a massive leap.

Good point! My view is "new thing is always better than old one until proven otherwise "

[FlyingScot1050]

The only thing I'd regret not waiting for would be if the rev-matching manual makes its way to the M240i, and even then, it wouldn't be a big regret.

[jphughan]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

The difference in power between the M2 And M240i will be very slim hope the price difference will be slim too.

If you only value M cars for the additional power, you're probably buying the wrong car. AMG or American muscle would probably be a better choice for the money, although even they are doing much better at improving the whole package relative to the base models rather than just being straight-line heroes these days.

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

That depend of what is the final output of the M2 let say 365hp versus a 335hp M240i that is even worst than the 35hp difference between the 1m and the 135i.

Did you ever drive a 135i and 1M to see how completely different those cars felt?

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Not to mention:

Brakes
DCT
Real suspension
Exhaust
Substantive motor/cooling changes
Wheels
Wider track/body
Etc, etc...

Basically the same list of shit that's different between a 3er and M3, 4er and M4, etc., etc...

I lived with a 235 for 17 months - the M2 is going to be a very very different experience...and I know that because I have driven the F80X M cars enough to know that firsthand.

This -- nice to see people recognizing and appreciating the value of the full M package rather than just thinking M = "MOAR POWRRRR". I believe the M2 will also be getting a diff as standard, which unless something has changed recently is still a port-installed option on the M235i? And isn't the M2 also supposed to have gone on a significant diet compared to the M235i? I was shocked at how much the M235i weighed when it was announced, considering how small it is. That would be a major benefit as well. And the steering tuning will likely be very different even if the hardware is the same, which can make a huge difference in character. The base 991 cars and the 991 GT3 have the same steering hardware but feel worlds apart from each other in actual driving, all thanks to software. Most reviewers hated the former and loved the latter.

[edev]

Originally Posted by arctic330i

Any update to the i3 coming soon?

I'd be interested in this as well.

[ORIGIN M.]

Never retire. Maybe semi-retire...

Thanks for sharing !!

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Scott thinking I know as much as he does.

My job is done, I can now retire.

[crbalch]

Originally Posted by stvding

Good point! My view is "new thing is always better than old one until proven otherwise "

Right plus the aftermarket marketplace for the N55 is pretty large. B58 will start from scratch so it'll take some time to have as many options as we have for tunes, exhausts, etc, etc. Granted, it'll probably get there quickly, but the N55 is already a proven platform.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by crbalch

Right plus the aftermarket marketplace for the N55 is pretty large. B58 will start from scratch so it'll take some time to have as many options as we have for tunes, exhausts, etc, etc. Granted, it'll probably get there quickly, but the N55 is already a proven platform.

Given the hardware design of B58, I won't be surprised if the tunes take longer to develop, don't give as much upside as the N55 tunes, and the higher power stages require more significant hardware mods.

[crbalch]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Given the hardware design of B58, I won't be surprised if the tunes take longer to develop, don't give as much upside as the N55 tunes, and the higher power stages require more significant hardware mods.

Being totally unfamiliar with the B58 platform, that is actually kind of refreshing to hear (considering my N55 235i is in production as we speak).

Similarly, the same thing happened between the N54 and N55. The N54 was (is) a much more tuneable engine than the N55, and was able to produce more power easier.

I know the B58 will get there, it will just take some time thats all. I feel better on a tried and true platform rather than being a guinea pig on the new platform. A few years down the road when I am ready to upgrade again, I will jump into the new engine.

[H_BMW]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Are you going to announce the other edition? Or are you waiting?

GC


Before 2018 ?

[nike001]

Originally Posted by jphughan

This -- nice to see people recognizing and appreciating the value of the full M package rather than just thinking M = "MOAR POWRRRR". I believe the M2 will also be getting a diff as standard, which unless something has changed recently is still a port-installed option on the M235i? And isn't the M2 also supposed to have gone on a significant diet compared to the M235i? I was shocked at how much the M235i weighed when it was announced, considering how small it is. That would be a major benefit as well. And the steering tuning will likely be very different even if the hardware is the same, which can make a huge difference in character. The base 991 cars and the 991 GT3 have the same steering hardware but feel worlds apart from each other in actual driving, all thanks to software. Most reviewers hated the former and loved the latter.

In 2015, with even current M owners/buyers, how many buy the cars for the heritage? Percentage wise, I'm inclined to believe it's not the majority. That said, who cars that an LSD is a 'major' improvement over the M235i's port-installed option? I doubt most will even use the LSD to it's full potential, none-the-less know what a LSD is and how it's advantageous. Also, the M235i weights about the same as the E46 M3, which the M235i seems to follow in the direct footsteps of.

Regarding dmboone25's post you quoted, I think the only 'big' upgrades are a DCT and a wider track. The M235i already has good cooling, which I wouldn't doubt ///M engineers beef up a little bit because why not, and the adaptive-M suspension the US-spec 235i comes with is already a fantastic suspension, but I'm not seeing 'suspension' as being a huge upgrade. Other than that, styling cues, an actual "///M" badge (heirarchy) will draw most in, with the other ///M bits drawing the enthusiasts in with it's M environment you're surrounded in.

With the M240i apparently close to 240hp, a simple piggy-back tune will get it to M2 numbers almost immediately (more likely surpassing it), so I don't think "MOAR POWRRRR" will play as much of a role as one might think.

The M2 will undoubtedly be a fantastic car like the M235i already is, and like the 1M was (despite the 'parts-bin' crowd). I just don't see a majority taking an M2 over a 235/240. I think the M2 crowd will be the enthusiast crowd, as well as the 'enthusiasts love it so I do too and I'll buy it because I'm an enthusiast now' crowd.

[Ove]

Will the B46 also come with a detuned version to put in the 20i's? Or will the 20i vehicles continue using the N20 engines?

[TitanSteel]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Are you going to announce the other edition? Or are you waiting?

Literally just called my dealer to cancel my M2 spot and confirm CSL interest hahah

This is as good as confirmation. Finally...

[jphughan]

Originally Posted by nike001

In 2015, with even current M owners/buyers, how many buy the cars for the heritage? Percentage wise, I'm inclined to believe it's not the majority. That said, who cars that an LSD is a 'major' improvement over the M235i's port-installed option? I doubt most will even use the LSD to it's full potential, none-the-less know what a LSD is and how it's advantageous. Also, the M235i weights about the same as the E46 M3, which the M235i seems to follow in the direct footsteps of.

Regarding dmboone25's post you quoted, I think the only 'big' upgrades are a DCT and a wider track. The M235i already has good cooling, which I wouldn't doubt ///M engineers beef up a little bit because why not, and the adaptive-M suspension the US-spec 235i comes with is already a fantastic suspension, but I'm not seeing 'suspension' as being a huge upgrade. Other than that, styling cues, an actual "///M" badge (heirarchy) will draw most in, with the other ///M bits drawing the enthusiasts in with it's M environment you're surrounded in.

With the M240i apparently close to 240hp, a simple piggy-back tune will get it to M2 numbers almost immediately (more likely surpassing it), so I don't think "MOAR POWRRRR" will play as much of a role as one might think.

The M2 will undoubtedly be a fantastic car like the M235i already is, and like the 1M was (despite the 'parts-bin' crowd). I just don't see a majority taking an M2 over a 235/240. I think the M2 crowd will be the enthusiast crowd, as well as the 'enthusiasts love it so I do too and I'll buy it because I'm an enthusiast now' crowd.

I wasn't talking about buying for heritage. I was talking about buying for handling and overall performance that might come in handy at say, the track, as opposed to just wanting more power from an M car. But you're right that most M buyers these days might not care about those other things, the overwhelming majority don't track, and a good chunk will do nothing with them besides commute on freeways and city streets, without so much as a twisty back road on a regular basis. I agree with all that, but I also think it's sad, hence my comment that it's nice to see that there are others who don't feel that way.

Suspension can be a huge upgrade with respect to handling and was a big part of what separated the 1M from the 135i in terms of feel. How different the M2 will be in this regard is yet to be seen, but I anticipate it will be significant. That's not because the M235i's suspension is mediocre, but rather that it likely targets a different balance between comfort and handling than the M2 will.

As for the LSD, I wasn't arguing that the factory-installed unit for the M2 would necessarily be superior, but rather that it being standard will likely contribute to a larger price gap than some who only look at power differential may be expecting.

In terms of weight, I don't think 3200 lbs should be seen as unreasonable for a car this size and price point, but that's just me.

I also agree that most won't take an M2 over an M235i, and I think that's completely fine. But it's all the more reason for BMW to offer the whole M package rather than just a performance tune.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Ove

Will the B46 also come with a detuned version to put in the 20i's? Or will the 20i vehicles continue using the N20 engines?

You're in Norway, you'll get B48. U.S. and some third world markets will keep N20 in some of x20i's (including US 320i).

B46 is a US special - a SULEV complaint version of B48.

[JRobUSC]

Originally Posted by Rossifumi

CarPlay shouldn't take years to implement... Mercedes, Audi, Volkswagen and a lot more already offer it. Shame on you BMW, shame on you.

Maybe BMW was busy designing engines that actually pass emissions regulations while VW and Audi were working on CarPlay. We'll see which strategy pays off in the long run.

[Papethova]

Originally Posted by TitanSteel

Literally just called my dealer to cancel my M2 spot and confirm CSL interest hahah

This is as good as confirmation. Finally...

What if its a vert M2?

[hyperzulu]

Originally Posted by Papethova

What if its a vert M2?

I think the word "edition" is too specific to be used in regards to a "model" distinction. Nobody says "Hey, I just picked up a new 228i convertible edition!"

[swagon]

ynguldyn is the boss, thanks man.

AND NOW TELL US ABOUT THE "EDITION"

[Inge_F]

Originally Posted by H_BMW

GC


Before 2018 ?

I think a GC would be regarded as a model...
My guess is he's refering to the edition which is the reason why the regular M2 didn't get any CF-roof

[SCOTT26]

Don't forget about G29.