[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

I spec'd an M235i with what I thought would be standard on the M2: 6 speed, premium pack., tech pack. Price came out right at $49k. I'm going to take a wild guess at the M2 price and say $53k.

Add 3k for LSD and that's 52k....

So they will give you bigger wheels, fenders, suspension, tune for free?

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

Add 3k for LSD and that's 52k....

So they will give you bigger wheels, fenders, suspension, tune for free?

Forgot about that but yeah it seems to not make much sense. Although something with "standard" features usually is a tad bit cheaper than "optioning" a similar car with more options. If that makes sense.

[W///]

Originally Posted by wdeerfield

A spec'd m235i is 51-55k. i do not see the m2 coming in below 55k.

A fully loaded 335i F30 is a $60k+ car, while the F80 starts at $62k. These price comparisons go right out the window when you start adding options into the equation. It's gotta be base vs base.

I only plan on going metallic paint and heated seats (if they aren't standard). I fully expect this car to be low 50s.

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

Forgot about that but yeah it seems to not make much sense. Although something with "standard" features usually is a tad bit cheaper than "optioning" a similar car with more options. If that makes sense.

Yes but I doubt they will not charge you a premium for a full M car....

[aveillez]

Originally Posted by H2887

55k euro is 60k us dollar isnt it?

You're absolutely right. This car will not sell for less than $60,000. M2 under $50,000??? These guys are dreaming.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by Downeaster1

Just disappointing is all. My lease is up soon and was hoping this would be a good contender, but it seems like it's just too little for too much.

Don't make up your mind until you get a chance to drive one. The M2 is shaping up to be Pyrat 2 in all the good ways... and the bad. I know I'll catch plenty of flack for saying that, but the N54 in the 1M just wasn't that "special" by my measure. That's really weighing heavy on me as I consider what car to get next. Keep reading though!

I recently got a lot of seat time in a F80 M3 in the Blue Ridge region of Western Virginia, and the S55 just barely crosses the "special" threshold for me. I loved the car overall, but while the engine unquestionably represents a significant bump in performance, it takes a step back in terms of experience. It doesn't rev as quickly, and the sound — while sonorous — doesn't instill the same sense of excitement that comes from engines like the S65 or S54. That may not matter at all to some people, but when I buy a car, I'm hoping to enjoy all aspects of the experience. If the N55 T0 variant is the same as the T0 variant of the N54, that's a pretty big negative from my perspective. It'll have the output needed to make the car perform, but it will lack the character that I expect from an M-car.

However, swapping back and forth between my E92 and an F80 over the same roads really opened my eyes to some major upsides of the new platform. Much like the E92 M3 and E82 1M shared suspension components, the M2 is rumored to share a lot with the F8x M-cars. I plan on writing this up in detail, but the jump in confidence I felt going from my E92 to the F80 was just astounding. The chassis in the F8x cars is so incredibly well sorted, it supports extremely high hopes for the M2, even in the face of the major negative aspects (N55 engine). The F80 felt far more composed, and the drop in weight between my DCT equipped E92 and the manual F80 M3 I drove was unquestionably noticeable. I'm hoping that the extra weight difference moving down to the M2 will deliver the kind of tossable experience that I'm looking for. My experience in the F80 has me more hopeful than ever.

For you, coming from an E82, I would absolutely take your time and drive one before making any decisions. I went from an E82 to the E92 M3, and I have loved every day in the M3. The increase in focus and sharpness is noticeable, even in every day driving. Once you engage in some spirited +7/10ths driving, the difference is night and day. Where the E82 starts to keel over and lag behind your input, the M-car will stay right with you. I loved my E82 — I really did! — but the M3 has been a dream car experience for every day driving and for the times I want to push it further. It's worth the wait to find out how the M2 will strike you.

[OG///M]

Originally Posted by W///

A fully loaded 335i F30 is a $60k+ car, while the F80 starts at $62k. These price comparisons go right out the window when you start adding options into the equation. It's gotta be base vs base.

I only plan on going metallic paint and heated seats (if they aren't standard). I fully expect this car to be low 50s.

I'm with you here. plan on having min options (probably no heated seats because Texas). This will be one hell of a car.

[Mr. Nice]

Cayman GTS is cheaper than Cayman S equipped with the same options. Just sayin.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by W///

So what's a "real" M car? I'm not sure anyone has ever been able to give me a straight answer.

Come on dude, really? There is no "straight" answer to questions that solicit an opinion. Opinions of "what a 'real' M car is" will be different for everyone, but it really bothers me to see so many enthusiasts ready to give up ground on what an M-car could be. I mean, can't we all agree that an M-car should strive to deliver the best possible handling, performance, and experience?

I'm not trying to create a false dichotomy here. Just because the M2 will use an N55 doesn't make it a bad car, but wouldn't it be better with a fully worked over S-engine? Remember the I6 vs I4 M2 poll? I really regret voting for the I6 in that poll, because I kind of get the feeling that if BMW had gone with an I4, we'd see an S20 in the M2. I'd rather have a fully re-worked N20 than an N55 with a tune. Why? Because I've driven both the N55 and the S55, and the difference goes way beyond the peak HP rating and the sound of the exhaust. I have a very bad feeling that the N55B30T0 is going to feel a bit flat on top, just like the N54B30T0 was. That didn't make the 1M a bad car, but the engine could have been better.

So the question isn't "will the car be good or bad", it's "would it be better or worse" with an S-engine? I don't think it's unfair to complain that the M2 is getting a "vanilla" BMW engine.

[phoenixbmwlife]

That means that the M2 will start at $57,000 with MDCT.

[Bamowe]

DONT EXPECT TOO MUCH.

The autobild is not the print magazine, you can trust every word. They are writing much when the day is long. For me I think they expect the price will be at 54.000 Euro, but they do not know.

I would not repost this info (on my M2 page), because its only a guess from the autobild.

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

I mean, can't we all agree that an M-car should strive to deliver the best possible handling, performance, and experience?

I would say "an M-car should strive to deliver the best possible handling, performance, and experience for a reasonable price...

else you buy a Porsche

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Bamowe

DONT EXPECT TOO MUCH.

The autobild is not the print magazine, you can trust every word. They are writing much when the day is long. For me I think they expect the price will be at 54.000 Euro, but they do not know.

I would not repost this info (on my M2 page), because its only a guess from the autobild.

agree here... Car and Driver printed a price for the 1M that was incorrect as well and was also too low.

I anticipate US base price around 52K personally.. If DCT is available as an option for 2-4K (i've never priced this feature) that would be sweet for those who want it..

[ron_jeremy]

An M is S engine + M chassi.
The chassi however is more important imo.
The turbo engines of today just doesn't give the entusiast the last few percent of happines, like the S54 with a Carbon intake.
But as an daily, the new M are much better.
Hard to fullfill everone's needs, but for those the GTS should be a decent choice imo.
As for the M2, i think it will sell like hot cakes.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by PhoenixWolf

That means that the M2 will start at $57,000 with MDCT.

No it doesn't. Read further up in the thread. 54k in would correlate to 50k in the U.S. based on previous examples.

[Roundown]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

Come on dude, really? There is no "straight" answer to questions that solicit an opinion. Opinions of "what a 'real' M car is" will be different for everyone, but it really bothers me to see so many enthusiasts ready to give up ground on what an M-car could be. I mean, can't we all agree that an M-car should strive to deliver the best possible handling, performance, and experience?

I'm not trying to create a false dichotomy here. Just because the M2 will use an N55 doesn't make it a bad car, but wouldn't it be better with a fully worked over S-engine? Remember the I6 vs I4 M2 poll? I really regret voting for the I6 in that poll, because I kind of get the feeling that if BMW had gone with an I4, we'd see an S20 in the M2. I'd rather have a fully re-worked N20 than an N55 with a tune. Why? Because I've driven both the N55 and the S55, and the difference goes way beyond the peak HP rating and the sound of the exhaust. I have a very bad feeling that the N55B30T0 is going to feel a bit flat on top, just like the N54B30T0 was. That didn't make the 1M a bad car, but the engine could have been better.

So the question isn't "will the car be good or bad", it's "would it be better or worse" with an S-engine? I don't think it's unfair to complain that the M2 is getting a "vanilla" BMW engine.

I own a 1M and largely agree. If the 1M came w/ an S65 (16lbs heavier than the N54 but better balanced), I'd own three.

That said, I think the N55T0 will be better than the N54T0. Better head design, more advanced valving, etc. go a long way to reduce lag and improving response.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by W///

A fully loaded 335i F30 is a $60k+ car, while the F80 starts at $62k. These price comparisons go right out the window when you start adding options into the equation. It's gotta be base vs base.

I only plan on going metallic paint and heated seats (if they aren't standard). I fully expect this car to be low 50s.

My 1M has Heated seats... USB (yeah had to pay $ 500 for that!) and metallic paint..

I'm in love with a stripper....

Originally Posted by ///M_Hoonigan

I'm with you here. plan on having min options (probably no heated seats because Texas). This will be one hell of a car.

no. no... check off and include that in your option list... ... My car is NOT a daily driver... but I've still have had occasion to use mine and they are awesome.
Anyone using this as even a weekend car should still order heated seats if it's in the budget.

[miiipilot]

Originally Posted by Vintage

A stripped m235i with diff is $51k. So, I can't imagine a base of less than $50k for the M2, although it would be awesome!

A stripped M235 w/Diff is $47ish
A higher equipped (cold, Prem, tech, driver, w/Diff, HK) is $54ish

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

I would say "an M-car should strive to deliver the best possible handling, performance, and experience for a reasonable price...

else you buy a Porsche

That's really the best counterpoint. We, apparently, can't have our cake and eat it too.

I really wonder though, if a car like the M2 isn't possible with an S-engine at a marketable price point, or whether BMW feels that the rapacious demand for the 1M enabled them to eek by with an N55 in this car.

No one outside BMW M GmbH can know for sure, but I intend to make loud noises about my displeasure with the outcome

[phoenixbmwlife]

Logic speculative calculator.

BMW M235i Base price = 44.900,00 €
BMW M4 Base Price = 72.500,00 €

BMW M235i Base Price = $44,095.00
BMW M4 Base Price = $65,195.00

BMW M2 speculative Base Price = 54.000,00 €
BMW M4 Base Price = 72.500,00 €

CALCULATIONS:
if
M4 72.500,00 € / M2 54.000,00 € = 1.342592592
then
M4 $65,195.00 / 1.342592592 = M2 $48,559

&

if
M2 54.000,00 €/ M235i 44.900.00 € = 1.202672605
then
M235i $44,095 x 1.202672605 = M2 $53,032

So the BMW M2 MSRP including destination in the U.S. will be between $48,559 & $53,032. Split it in the middle the MSRP = $50,795.

[W///]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

Come on dude, really? There is no "straight" answer to questions that solicit an opinion. Opinions of "what a 'real' M car is" will be different for everyone, but it really bothers me to see so many enthusiasts ready to give up ground on what an M-car could be. I mean, can't we all agree that an M-car should strive to deliver the best possible handling, performance, and experience?

I'm not trying to create a false dichotomy here. Just because the M2 will use an N55 doesn't make it a bad car, but wouldn't it be better with a fully worked over S-engine? Remember the I6 vs I4 M2 poll? I really regret voting for the I6 in that poll, because I kind of get the feeling that if BMW had gone with an I4, we'd see an S20 in the M2. I'd rather have a fully re-worked N20 than an N55 with a tune. Why? Because I've driven both the N55 and the S55, and the difference goes way beyond the peak HP rating and the sound of the exhaust. I have a very bad feeling that the N55B30T0 is going to feel a bit flat on top, just like the N54B30T0 was. That didn't make the 1M a bad car, but the engine could have been better.

So the question isn't "will the car be good or bad", it's "would it be better or worse" with an S-engine? I don't think it's unfair to complain that the M2 is getting a "vanilla" BMW engine.

Well, if people are going to go around saying that this car and that car is a faux-M, then I'd love to hear what a real one is.

First thing is first. This N55 will have S55 hardware, we know that much. So it's not like they are just going to add boost to a vanilla engine. I think it remains to be seen what the engine in the M2 will be like.

Would I prefer a detuned S55? Certainly. The idea of an S20 is also interesting, but I'd have to try it out. I also understand that the car has to slot into the M family in terms of performance and price too, regardless of what we want unfortunately.

The idea of an S55 powered M2, with CF roof and trunk and M4 cloth seats is very enticing. But realistically, how much would that cost? I really don't know.

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

My 1M has Heated seats... USB (yeah had to pay $ 500 for that!) and metallic paint..

I'm in love with a stripper....



no. no... check off and include that in your option list... ... My car is NOT a daily driver... but I've still have had occasion to use mine and they are awesome.
Anyone using this as even a weekend car should still order heated seats if it's in the budget.

Perfectly optioned!

[Alpine F31]

Originally Posted by wdeerfield

A spec'd m235i is 51-55k. i do not see the m2 coming in below 55k.

You're exactly right. Here's mine as an example.