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      09-03-2014, 11:43 AM   #1
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0-60 numbers

Note that in the 2014 Model BMW quotes 0-60 of 4.8 on the AT M235i.
For 2015 they are quoting 4.6.

I assume this is just a revised literature to reflect actual numbers and no changes were made to the vehicles themselves.
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They removed the side badges on the MY2015. 0.2s reduction in 0-60 times!
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They removed the side badges on the MY2015. 0.2s reduction in 0-60 times!
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so if i remove the one in the back too will I get 4.5 ?
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      09-03-2014, 01:13 PM   #5
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so if i remove the one in the back too will I get 4.5 ?
No, keep that one - more weight at the back = better traction!
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Serious question - when they do those test how much fuel is typically in the car? Gotta be 75lbs for a full tank right? I know the F1 guys plan to be on fumes at finish to save weight / go faster.
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Note that in the 2014 Model BMW quotes 0-60 of 4.8 on the AT M235i.
For 2015 they are quoting 4.6.

I assume this is just a revised literature to reflect actual numbers and no changes were made to the vehicles themselves.
From the many road tests I've read, the BMW factory numbers appear to be a bit conservative. Car & Driver and others have been observing consistent 0 to 60 times in the 4.3 to 4.5 second range (automatic version).

Also, from my experience, the car slightly exceeds the EPA MPG ratings, especially on the highway.
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I thought 0-60 times were theoretical maybe afyer testing they realises the car was quicker? dont matter its just a rough guide anyway, midrange power and torque is what u want!

F1 cars need to have a certain amount of fuel on board for testing purposes so dont really finish on fumes. Also each drivers style varies leaving different fuel levels in the car. Depending on the situation and track position this dictates the revs etc.

For example Hamilton is more efficient than Rosberg in the same car.
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I thought 0-60 times were theoretical maybe afyer testing they realises the car was quicker? dont matter its just a rough guide anyway, midrange power and torque is what u want!

F1 cars need to have a certain amount of fuel on board for testing purposes so dont really finish on fumes. Also each drivers style varies leaving different fuel levels in the car. Depending on the situation and track position this dictates the revs etc.

For example Hamilton is more efficient than Rosberg in the same car.
I didn't mean literally on fumes, was just using the example because it's a decent amount of extra weight to drag around. Say our tanks hold 75 lbs of fuel, cutting 50 from that would have to have some measurable impact I would think when we're talking fractions of a second, all else equal.
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They removed the side badges on the MY2015. 0.2s reduction in 0-60 times!
+2. : )
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From the many road tests I've read, the BMW factory numbers appear to be a bit conservative. Car & Driver and others have been observing consistent 0 to 60 times in the 4.3 to 4.5 second range (automatic version).

Also, from my experience, the car slightly exceeds the EPA MPG ratings, especially on the highway.

Car and Driver is useless for tests, they have the fastest times on everything because they use a flawed testing method. Gets them clicks.
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Car and Driver is useless for tests, they have the fastest times on everything because they use a flawed testing method. Gets them clicks.
Read them and weep:

Motor Trend: 4.4 seconds
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ti_comparison/

Road & Track: 4.5 seconds
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-revi...2014-bmw-m235i

Autoweek: "BMW quotes a 0-62-mph time of 4.8 seconds, which felt a bit conservative during my drive."
http://autoweek.com/article/car-revi...e-review-notes
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Car and Driver is useless for tests, they have the fastest times on everything because they use a flawed testing method. Gets them clicks.
Can you provide details on how their method is flawed?

In any case, I find 5-60 "street start" to be more interesting than 0-60.
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Note that in the 2014 Model BMW quotes 0-60 of 4.8 on the AT M235i.
For 2015 they are quoting 4.6.

I assume this is just a revised literature to reflect actual numbers and no changes were made to the vehicles themselves.
I have noticed that some BMW literature states 0 to 100 km/h in 4.8 seconds. That is equivalent to 0 to 62 MPH - 2 MPH over the US standard. So, this does suggest that true 0 to 60 times might actually be a bit less than 4.8 seconds.
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      09-04-2014, 10:36 AM   #17
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It would be interesting to know what of grade fuel was used for the official figures. I've read you can get up to 102 octane in Germany. I can get between 95-99 locally. It might be worth a tenth!
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It would be interesting to know what of grade fuel was used for the official figures. I've read you can get up to 102 octane in Germany. I can get between 95-99 locally. It might be worth a tenth!
Also wouldn't air density and elevation change things a bit. This could be why they report different 0-60 times.
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Can you provide details on how their method is flawed?

In any case, I find 5-60 "street start" to be more interesting than 0-60.
I prefer 5-60 especially in a 6MT because I can't bring myself to put extra stress on the clutch for what? some street shenanigans? Potential cost vs. gain just isn't there for me. I like my cars not only for their quickness but even more for the twisties

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It would be interesting to know what of grade fuel was used for the official figures. I've read you can get up to 102 octane in Germany. I can get between 95-99 locally. It might be worth a tenth!
Or maybe they go to the track and buy race fuel for the tests
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I prefer 5-60 especially in a 6MT because I can't bring myself to put extra stress on the clutch for what? some street shenanigans? Potential cost vs. gain just isn't there for me. I like my cars not only for their quickness but even more for the twisties
+1...My thoughts exactly.
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Car and Driver is useless for tests, they have the fastest times on everything because they use a flawed testing method. Gets them clicks.
Motor trend always has fastest times not CD?
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Looks like they revised the manual time on the 228 to 5.5 from 5.8 which was initially attributed to the standard tires on the 228 vs a 328. 328 manual was always .1 second slower than the auto but there was a strange .4 second gap for the 228 between auto and manual. Not that it matters in the real world but was a matter of a lot of discussion on these threads several months ago.
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