[dphjr]

Originally Posted by FSociety

With how cheap it is already? what u want it free?

$600 Just for the license + $300 OBD agent + $20 cable + $50 per map means you're looking at nearly $1000 assuming you want to take advantage of every feature the BM3 has to offer... Hardly cheap

[itzzoscar]

Originally Posted by dphjr

$600 Just for the license + $300 OBD agent + $20 cable + $50 per map means you're looking at nearly $1000 assuming you want to take advantage of every feature the BM3 has to offer... Hardly cheap

Is the OBD agent needed just to unlock?

[dphjr]

Originally Posted by itzzoscar

Is the OBD agent needed just to unlock?

No, I believe the agent is just for changing features/maps with the phone app. Unlocking is done via the ENET cable

[Drpoomanchu]

Originally Posted by FSociety

With how cheap it is already? what u want it free?

A simple yes or no would have sufficed but hey if being a smartass helps you draw in new customers :

[mike@x-ph.com]

I would like to share this message that i just got from one of our customers

FYI - M235i owners need this tune! This tune will be giving M cars a run for their money, as long as they do not have one as well haha. What a difference a flash tune from AA makes, and it stacks with the Dinantronics Sport boost controller!!!! 17.5 psi stock flash. 21.5 psi on 93~95 octane using "Race" mode on the Dinantronics Sport (sport 18.5psi, sport+ 19.5). Data logging with BlueDriver just in case anything looks out of balance, but a lot smoother than the factory tune. Butt Dyno is telling me 400WHP, but I will get this on a dyno soon to further prove the gains

[Luftwaffe1O1]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

I would like to share this message that i just got from one of our customers

FYI - M235i owners need this tune! This tune will be giving M cars a run for their money, as long as they do not have one as well haha. What a difference a flash tune from AA makes, and it stacks with the Dinantronics Sport boost controller!!!! 17.5 psi stock flash. 21.5 psi on 93~95 octane using "Race" mode on the Dinantronics Sport (sport 18.5psi, sport+ 19.5). Data logging with BlueDriver just in case anything looks out of balance, but a lot smoother than the factory tune. Butt Dyno is telling me 400WHP, but I will get this on a dyno soon to further prove the gains

Uhhh stacking a piggyback with a flash tune seems like a potentially bad idea...

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Luftwaffe1O1

Uhhh stacking a piggyback with a flash tune seems like a potentially bad idea...

Since when?

I stack tunes on all my bmws, my piggy of choice would be Jb4 since it has additional failsafes to protect yourengine if anything goes wrong

[bryan_G01]

Originally Posted by Luftwaffe1O1

Uhhh stacking a piggyback with a flash tune seems like a potentially bad idea...

Been doing it for 2 years, no issues. Know what your doing like anything in life...

[M235SDCA]

Originally Posted by bryan_f22

Been doing it for 2 years, no issues. Know what your doing like anything in life...

+1. You do have to pay attention and look at the logs to see if you are having issues. I'm just getting into this now with BM3 and a JB4 with WMI. It's not something you can just throw together and expect it to work. Will post once I get everything squared away.

Originally Posted by dphjr

$600 Just for the license + $300 OBD agent + $20 cable + $50 per map means you're looking at nearly $1000 assuming you want to take advantage of every feature the BM3 has to offer... Hardly cheap

You don't need the OBD agent. I use my laptop mostly to update maps, laptop and phone sometimes. OBD agent is a little more compact, but laptop on the passenger seat works. Cable is the same you use for coding, so if you do that no extra cost. Yes maps cost money but I don't mind paying since the people creating the maps have put in time to make them work right. Also the few tuners I have dealt with will iterate the tunes to make sure they work for your car. IMO $600 is reasonable, and I paid a little more to have SSR turnkey the BM3. Tuners usually charge a few hundred for a tune, but after looking at some of the tables in the BM3 tune editor I'll gladly pay it vs. honking something up myself and hammering the motor.

BM3 is so far the best ROI of all my mods.

[dphjr]

Could someone enlighten me - what are the benefits of stacking tunes? I was originally going to sell my JB4 once I got the flash.

[M235SDCA]

Originally Posted by dphjr

Could someone enlighten me - what are the benefits of stacking tunes? I was originally going to sell my JB4 once I got the flash.

I am using my JB4 primarily for meth control so it can add some extra boost when the meth is flowing and not add boost if it is not. Meth flow is primarily at WOT. The flash gives you better throttle response when not operating at maximum boost.

Presently I am having some issues as the JB4 seems only able to simulate ~19.2 PSI to the DME, so if the flash tune has any boost targets higher than that the DME wont be able to control the boost correctly.

Another reason would be easy map switching depending on fuel. The example Mike posted above is good. If the boost is too high for the fuel and the DME detects knock it pulls the timing / boost back significantly. Something to avoid for sure.

[Yannisbimmer]

Just out of curiosity, are the Dinan tunes considered a flash or a piggyback?

[Drpoomanchu]

Originally Posted by Yannisbimmer

Just out of curiosity, are the Dinan tunes considered a flash or a piggyback?

Piggyback

[Dylan86]

For those who don't understand the reasons for stacking, here's my standpoint.

I already own a JB4, and got it cheap. I plan to "stack" it for boost control (above and beyond what the flash tune offers), and Meth control, which the tune does not offer as of yet.

I already have Meth installed, and the JB4 gives me full monitoring and control of the system via cell phone infrastructure (live data, boost controller, data logger, map changer, etc) on the mobile app. Has to be one of the most convenient systems I've ever used.

Adding a flash tune greatly enhances the baseline DME programming, something the JB4 simply can't accomplish on its own. Combined, I feel it's a very strong combination to have.

[Anthony235]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

I would like to share this message that i just got from one of our customers

FYI - M235i owners need this tune! This tune will be giving M cars a run for their money, as long as they do not have one as well haha. What a difference a flash tune from AA makes, and it stacks with the Dinantronics Sport boost controller!!!! 17.5 psi stock flash. 21.5 psi on 93~95 octane using "Race" mode on the Dinantronics Sport (sport 18.5psi, sport+ 19.5). Data logging with BlueDriver just in case anything looks out of balance, but a lot smoother than the factory tune. Butt Dyno is telling me 400WHP, but I will get this on a dyno soon to further prove the gains

I get all the above with my JB4. I still want to see a map 6 JB4 car roll race a BM3 car. Anyone in SoCal want to head to "mexico" and test? I'm FBO+JB4....

[chemh0ser]

Will the BM3 tune require mechanical upgrades such as charge pipes and downpipes? Is there a chance of blowing up the OEM parts?

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by chemh0ser

Will the BM3 tune require mechanical upgrades such as charge pipes and downpipes? Is there a chance of blowing up the OEM parts?

It comes with stage 1 maps for cars using stock downpipes

Charge pipe is needed with any tune and any map

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by chemh0ser

Will the BM3 tune require mechanical upgrades such as charge pipes and downpipes? Is there a chance of blowing up the OEM parts?

You'll always want to upgrade your charge pipe on this platform with any tune, they are notorious for cracking, even under stock boost but especially when boost is increased with a tune.

[Masterongear]

I have the stock cat on and i am pushing well over 430 whp. I am switching to a 3.5 bar adapter and AA is making an updated map for stock cat and my AR Design catted DP, because I am maxed out on boost (attached) 21psi+. Logging data, everything looks normal. 5th gear spins wheels when downshifting at WOT. 0-60mph runs are tricky or else it is all wheel spin all the way through 4th gear on PSS tires. I hope AA makes a data logging OBD2 tool with map selection functionality, otherwise this combo of mods is working damn well for me. Highly recommended!

[jmwilson125]

Originally Posted by Masterongear

I have the stock cat on and i am pushing well over 430 whp. I am switching to a 3.5 bar adapter and AA is making an updated map for stock cat and my AR Design catted DP, because I am maxed out on boost (attached) 21psi+. Logging data, everything looks normal. 5th gear spins wheels when downshifting at WOT. 0-60mph runs are tricky or else it is all wheel spin all the way through 4th gear on PSS tires. I hope AA makes a data logging OBD2 tool with map selection functionality, otherwise this combo of mods is working damn well for me. Highly recommended!

On stock turbo? With meth, either mix, or upgraded fueling?

[Masterongear]

Originally Posted by jmwilson125

On stock turbo? With meth, either mix, or upgraded fueling?

Stock turbo, 91 pump gas with octane boosted to 95, no meth. AA's Simon3 is no joke. I am installing the 3.5 bar adapter today and loading the first stage 1 update for the new sensor and see what the results are. I'll log to make sure everything is fine and if so, I'll flash a modified version of stage 1 with slightly higher boost targets. I am experimenting for AA and will get back to them tomorrow with the results. If the increased boost logs normal, they will update the enhanced 3.5 bar stage 2 flash to accommodate the ceramic coated AR catted DP being installed on Saturday. I am hoping for 475 whp on stock turbo.

[Drpoomanchu]

Originally Posted by Masterongear

I have the stock cat on and i am pushing well over 430 whp. I am switching to a 3.5 bar adapter and AA is making an updated map for stock cat and my AR Design catted DP, because I am maxed out on boost (attached) 21psi+. Logging data, everything looks normal. 5th gear spins wheels when downshifting at WOT. 0-60mph runs are tricky or else it is all wheel spin all the way through 4th gear on PSS tires. I hope AA makes a data logging OBD2 tool with map selection functionality, otherwise this combo of mods is working damn well for me. Highly recommended!

What Dyno was this run on..? Ambient temp.? Gear ratio 1:1 ? Power delivery on your graph is odd. Numbers are great but suspect due to stock turbo/Fueling especially without meth.

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