Auto Bild: M235i vs E46 M3 on track

Boss330 · 11-13-2014, 11:01 AM

Featured on BIMMERPOST.com

Unfortunately only in German.

They start off by discussing the pros and cons of old vs new tech. Turbo vs NA etc.

Then the track...

M235i is a significant 4 seconds quicker than the M3 around the track!!!!
That is a huge advantage (as also commented by the Auto Bild crew)

The E46 M3 is still the rawer and more entertaining car (according to one of them), but the guy "sponsoring" the M3 has to admit defeat in the end...

EDIT:

Here is a different video where the M235i is compared with a M3 CSL. They actually set identical lap times...

Lucky13 · 11-13-2014, 08:35 PM

I owned 3 E46 M3's and would agree with the statement above. There was nothing like reving the hell out of the E46 and it was a blast and had a much harder edge to it. The ride could beat the hell out of you compared to the M235, it was much stiffer. Really like comparing apples to oranges on the engines since the M235 kills it on torque so their totally different in their characteristics.

Vervain · 11-14-2014, 04:03 AM

Wow I didn't expect that!

doberzus · 11-14-2014, 08:40 AM

Doesn't count... Not REAL M car!

W/// · 11-14-2014, 10:01 AM

Umm that E46 only 4552km on its odometer

Damasconian · 11-18-2014, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doberzus

Doesn't count... Not REAL M car!

Oh it counts.

3M TAPE · 11-18-2014, 04:13 PM

*facepalm"

Not this M vs. non-M topic again...

M3 Adjuster · 11-18-2014, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doberzus

Doesn't count... Not REAL M car!

So you are waiting for the E46m3 to be further embarrased by an m2?

Ok sure....

ALMOST///M · 11-18-2014, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doberzus

Doesn't count... Not REAL M car!

It doesn't matter, the M235i is the better all around car, not counting for depreciation and age lol. Besides it was never meant to be an all out M car it's the 2002 tii successor. And the track version will most likely beat the CSL on the track.

DML · 11-18-2014, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doberzus

Doesn't count... Not REAL M car!

True but what does that say about the "Real M car"??

IB M · 11-18-2014, 04:21 PM

Two amazing cars.

Anderw · 11-18-2014, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by IB M

Two amazing cars.

+1111

Roadkiller · 11-18-2014, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

So you are waiting for the E46m3 to be further embarrased by an m2?

Ok sure....

I agree.....E46 M3 versus M2 = waste of time, no contest, etc., etc. When the M2 arrives on the scene, please don't post this comparison.

OverDriven · 11-18-2014, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DML

True but what does that say about the "Real M car"??

It says that the real M car is a decade older.

milosm346 · 11-18-2014, 05:05 PM

That kiwi interior though.

DML · 11-18-2014, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OverDriven

Quote:

Originally Posted by DML

True but what does that say about the "Real M car"??

It says that the real M car is a decade older.

Kind of my point

Thurman Murch · 11-18-2014, 05:12 PM

335is is faster than a E46M stock for stock from a standstill but I rather still have the E46

The B58 powered M240i will have 347 hp/500 nm tq - hopefully leicht

The M2 376 hp / ~520/5ish tq - hopefully leicht

The size of the M235i is great and fills the all around need for many. I wonder what new color will come with the new versions - that weird Sedona red?

What about CSL?

ORIGIN M. · 11-18-2014, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doberzus

Doesn't count... Not REAL M car!

Does count, and shows the weakness in the aging M-Car.

Diver · 11-18-2014, 05:25 PM

A while back I saw a test where a 135i (no ppk and stock run flat tires) was faster around a track than an E46 M3. I don't remember if the 135i was a pre 2011 with the progressive springs that caused a lot of body lean.

BMW is making progress, that is for sure. Just because the newer cars are faster that does not make the E46 M3 any less of a sweet car.

Deep_Blue · 11-18-2014, 05:34 PM

The M235i is a good car. The E46 M3 is iconic. I doubt that we'll be comparing anything to the M235i in 13 years.

M Passion · 11-18-2014, 05:34 PM

Even if 10 sec slower I'll take the e46 anyday for sure

VMRWheels · 11-18-2014, 05:40 PM

Awesome vid, really cool to see this comparison.

11-13-2014, 11:01 AM	#1
Boss330 Major General 1712 Rep 5,109 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Earth iTrader: (0)	Auto Bild: M235i vs E46 M3 on track Featured on BIMMERPOST.com Unfortunately only in German. They start off by discussing the pros and cons of old vs new tech. Turbo vs NA etc. Then the track... M235i is a significant 4 seconds quicker than the M3 around the track!!!! That is a huge advantage (as also commented by the Auto Bild crew) The E46 M3 is still the rawer and more entertaining car (according to one of them), but the guy "sponsoring" the M3 has to admit defeat in the end... EDIT: Here is a different video where the M235i is compared with a M3 CSL. They actually set identical lap times... Last edited by Boss330; 11-24-2014 at 12:19 PM..
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Lucky13 Lucky13 211 Rep 1,762 Posts Drives: 2014 M235 manual, 2020 X3 30X Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Columbia, S.C. iTrader: (0)	I owned 3 E46 M3's and would agree with the statement above. There was nothing like reving the hell out of the E46 and it was a blast and had a much harder edge to it. The ride could beat the hell out of you compared to the M235, it was much stiffer. Really like comparing apples to oranges on the engines since the M235 kills it on torque so their totally different in their characteristics. __________________ 1995 325i, 1996 328ci, 1997 528i, 1997 Z3 2.8, 2000 528i, 2001 X5 3.0, 2001 330i Convertible, 2002 M3 Convertible, 2003 M3 Coupe, 2004 M3 Coupe, 2004 Z4 3.0, 2004 X3 3.0, 2007 X3 3.0, 2007 335i Convertible, 2013 X1 28 sdrive, 2014 M235 manual, 2020 X3 30i Xdrive
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Thurman Murch Lieutenant 62 Rep 499 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Island in the sun iTrader: (0)	335is is faster than a E46M stock for stock from a standstill but I rather still have the E46 The B58 powered M240i will have 347 hp/500 nm tq - hopefully leicht The M2 376 hp / ~520/5ish tq - hopefully leicht The size of the M235i is great and fills the all around need for many. I wonder what new color will come with the new versions - that weird Sedona red? What about CSL?
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Diver Brigadier General 504 Rep 3,446 Posts Drives: Black '12 135i - Sold Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Texas iTrader: (0)	A while back I saw a test where a 135i (no ppk and stock run flat tires) was faster around a track than an E46 M3. I don't remember if the 135i was a pre 2011 with the progressive springs that caused a lot of body lean. BMW is making progress, that is for sure. Just because the newer cars are faster that does not make the E46 M3 any less of a sweet car. __________________ See my photography at http://ronscubadiver.wordpress.com
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Deep_Blue First Lieutenant 70 Rep 374 Posts Drives: Montego 335i e90 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: internet iTrader: (1)	The M235i is a good car. The E46 M3 is iconic. I doubt that we'll be comparing anything to the M235i in 13 years.
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M Passion Enlisted Member 0 Rep 41 Posts Drives: Z4 M coupè Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Repubblic of San Marino - ITALY iTrader: (0)	Even if 10 sec slower I'll take the e46 anyday for sure
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