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      11-24-2014, 08:53 PM   #111
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And please continue putting the M235i down if it makes you happy. Just sayin'
Taking a realistic look at the car, from my own perspective, isn't putting it down.

It's just an honest assessment. That's all - no more, no less.

I guess on some level I just don't under the hype around this car - it's better looking for sure but isn't deserving of the machine that seems to be behind it, in my opinion anyway. To those that have one and love it - that's great. I just don't love mine. And I can tell I never will. Which is also fine. I'm hoping for a lot more with the M2.
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      11-26-2014, 11:34 PM   #112
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Is it a good assumption that M240i engine will be more powerful than the current M235i engine?
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      12-13-2014, 01:19 PM   #113
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They should take the M out of it completely and stop diluting the M brand name. M should be exclusive to only true M power cars and quit this M performance crap.

But it's all about marketing since most people that see my car think it's a real M and that's why they won't change it.

The topic regarding what constitutes a true M car has been bantered back and forth a lot. So, what makes a true M car. Parts? Performance? Cost? Something else? I always believed it was performance.

If it simply boils down to performance, then the M235i makes a pretty good showing for itself. I've read enough reviews to see that the 2014 M235i is within a hair's breadth of 100% of the performance of the 2012 M3. At about 2/3rds the co$t. So I'm left wondering if cost is a factor in the definition of true M cars. It wouldn't be difficult for me to believe that the higher cost of a true M car might be a big part of the M equation. Higher purchase prices = more exclusive. Exclusivity is sacred ground for some whether you're talking about cars or real estate.

I don't know. Apparently, there's more to the thought of what makes "true M" than just performance. I think it boils down to money.
I agree with you 100%
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Something is wrong here, M-badge "abuse" problem apart: if the M240i (to replace current M235i) is going to be 360 hp, it's dangerously too close to the proper M2 360-370.

"With 365 hp from the three-liter six-cylinder engine was designed to bridge the gap between 335i and M3."

source: http://www.autobild.de/artikel/bmw-3...r-5476389.html
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      12-15-2014, 09:37 AM   #115
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I have a hard time believing they will boost HP that much. I think the range of 330 - 340 is much more reasonable.

The *40i engine will likely differ form the *35i engine in fuel efficiency imo.

The output of the 35 is already really great, without much competition from competitors. I think the branding is mostly a reaction to the nomenclature of MB C400 which is a 330 HP engine...

Personally i think a *40 title is way to much for a 6 cylinder engine... Regardless of if these new engines produce as much output as an old V8.

All of the magazine speculators are just that speculators.

In addition this is one of the reasons why i am holding off an the new M3. I think the future ZCP will receive a power bump and suspension tune a la C63 edition 507 etc.

I would not be an ounce surprised if the M3 touches 500 HP this generation. Which is again, speculation...
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Da Faq??!!

So M240 will have 360hp and M2 is also around that numbers? i dont get it
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      12-15-2014, 10:40 AM   #117
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Da Faq??!!

So M240 will have 360hp and M2 is also around that numbers? i dont get it
Exactly.

It doesn't pass the sniff test.



We also know the M2 wont be much higher than 375 anyhow due to "BECAUSE M3!!!"

This is a nomenclature change to match competitors that is coincidentally matching a switch from N to B series engines. I am sure the B will be a little better than the N. But not 15% gross output better...

If you are expecting to buy an M240i for in mid 2015 with 365 HP and a lower price than the current model you are going to be sorely dissapointed.

Unfortunate that seems to be half of the members on here. The other Half are the "It isn't a real M car" posters

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      12-15-2014, 01:18 PM   #118
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They should take the M out of it completely and stop diluting the M brand name. M should be exclusive to only true M power cars and quit this M performance crap.

But it's all about marketing since most people that see my car think it's a real M and that's why they won't change it.

The topic regarding what constitutes a true M car has been bantered back and forth a lot. So, what makes a true M car. Parts? Performance? Cost? Something else? I always believed it was performance.

If it simply boils down to performance, then the M235i makes a pretty good showing for itself. I've read enough reviews to see that the 2014 M235i is within a hair's breadth of 100% of the performance of the 2012 M3. At about 2/3rds the co$t. So I'm left wondering if cost is a factor in the definition of true M cars. It wouldn't be difficult for me to believe that the higher cost of a true M car might be a big part of the M equation. Higher purchase prices = more exclusive. Exclusivity is sacred ground for some whether you're talking about cars or real estate.

I don't know. Apparently, there's more to the thought of what makes "true M" than just performance. I think it boils down to money.
I agree with you 100%
You two are floating on your new car cloud nine. What makes an m car is the fact that the m-division takes a platform and engineers it to an m car, nothing else. There are a lot of cars that perform close to or better like audi, merc, lexus, ford, chevy, etc, does that meke them m cars as well? they are no more an m car than the m235i because none of them were designed by the bmw m-division. Back in 2011 when they released the 1m I thought meh so what its the same thing, now that I have a one I realize how far apart these two cars are, to take a 135 and make it a 1m takes tens of thousands of dollars, its much more then adding 40hp.
And to the guy who thought his car was better then an e34 m5, thats like saying our cars are better then a 67 vette, back in the eighties there were few cars better than an m5 comparing something built today is not even close to fair. I hate to break it to you but the m235i is built for the masses its comfort first then enough performance to compete with the others in its class. An m car is built on a different premise.
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      12-15-2014, 01:55 PM   #119
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You two are floating on your new car cloud nine. What makes an m car is the fact that the m-division takes a platform and engineers it to an m car, nothing else. There are a lot of cars that perform close to and better like audi, merc, lexus, does that meke them m cars as well? they are no mare an m car than the m235i because none of them were designed by the bmw m-division. Back in 2011 when they released the 1m I thought meh so what its the same thing, now that I have a one I realize how far apart these two cars are, to take a 135 and make it a 1m takes tens of thousands of dollars its far from addind 40hp.
And to the guy who thought his car was better then an e34 m5, thats like saying our cars are better then a 67 vette, back in the eighties there were few cars better than an m5 comparing something built today is not even close to fair. I hate to break it to you but the m235i is built for the masses its comfort first then enough performance to compete with the others in its class. An m car is built on a different premise.
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Back in 2011 when they released the 1m I thought meh so what its the same thing, now that I have a one I realize how far apart these two cars are, to take a 135 and make it a 1m takes tens of thousands of dollars, its much more then adding 40hp.

Shouldn't you be in the 1 forums Constanza?
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I hate to break it to you but the m235i is built for the masses its comfort first then enough performance to compete with the others in its class.
Built for the masses? If that's the case, it's a fail. In Car and Driver's recent 10 Best list, the M235i was dead last as far as sales - only 7000 sold in the U.S. so far this year. Even the $60K Corvette sold 5 times that amount. Is the Corvette a car for the masses too?
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You two are floating on your new car cloud nine. What makes an m car is the fact that the m-division takes a platform and engineers it to an m car, nothing else. There are a lot of cars that perform close to or better like audi, merc, lexus, ford, chevy, etc, does that meke them m cars as well? they are no more an m car than the m235i because none of them were designed by the bmw m-division. Back in 2011 when they released the 1m I thought meh so what its the same thing, now that I have a one I realize how far apart these two cars are, to take a 135 and make it a 1m takes tens of thousands of dollars, its much more then adding 40hp.
And to the guy who thought his car was better then an e34 m5, thats like saying our cars are better then a 67 vette, back in the eighties there were few cars better than an m5 comparing something built today is not even close to fair. I hate to break it to you but the m235i is built for the masses its comfort first then enough performance to compete with the others in its class. An m car is built on a different premise.
How about you stop feeding the trolls arguing about whether or not a car is an M car.

Everyone knows what "M" is? a Letter

Defining it further is a job for BMW marketing and trying to do so yourself is childish.

I think this forums mods should start locking down posts about M versus not an M and leave them all to a corner of the forum that only the trolls who enjoy these discussions go.

Now does anyone want to discuss M240i versus M235i on here?

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How about you stop feeding the trolls arguing about whether or not a car is an M car.
I kinda liked his response, thought it was more thoughtful than most of the bickering back and forth.
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Back in 2011 when they released the 1m I thought meh so what its the same thing, now that I have a one I realize how far apart these two cars are, to take a 135 and make it a 1m takes tens of thousands of dollars, its much more then adding 40hp.

Shouldn't you be in the 1 forums Constanza?
What? no intermingling between models? Well unfortunately for you guys I'm 24hrs into an 80hr decompression so there just isn't enough going on over on the one series forum. Besides we are like family you guys drive the same car as I, except its redesigned and renamed for marketing purposes.
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You two are floating on your new car cloud nine. What makes an m car is the fact that the m-division takes a platform and engineers it to an m car, nothing else. There are a lot of cars that perform close to or better like audi, merc, lexus, ford, chevy, etc, does that meke them m cars as well? they are no more an m car than the m235i because none of them were designed by the bmw m-division. Back in 2011 when they released the 1m I thought meh so what its the same thing, now that I have a one I realize how far apart these two cars are, to take a 135 and make it a 1m takes tens of thousands of dollars, its much more then adding 40hp.
And to the guy who thought his car was better then an e34 m5, thats like saying our cars are better then a 67 vette, back in the eighties there were few cars better than an m5 comparing something built today is not even close to fair. I hate to break it to you but the m235i is built for the masses its comfort first then enough performance to compete with the others in its class. An m car is built on a different premise.
How about you stop feeding the trolls arguing about whether or not a car is an M car.

Everyone knows what "M" is? a Letter

Defining it further is a job for BMW marketing and trying to do so yourself is childish.

I think this forums mods should start locking down posts about M versus not an M and leave them all to a corner of the forum that only the trolls who enjoy these discussions go.

Now does anyone want to discuss M240i versus M235i on here?

Thankfully for me you are not a forum moderator, but you're right lets compare a car that doesn't exist to a model that is the best of the best. RIGHT, AM I RIGHT M235I OWNERS.
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I just wanna know how tunable the new engine will be.
Would suck to wait for the B58 only to find out more power
couldn't be easily extracted from it. If you're into modding at all.
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I just wanna know how tunable the new engine will be.
Would suck to wait for the B58 only to find out more power
couldn't be easily extracted from it. If you're into modding at all.
Well like any new motor tuning and aftermarket parts companies such as Burgertuning, Dinan, Evolution Racewerk, VRSF, etc all have to get their hands on one and figure out what can be done and then produce it so you are definitely looking at a learning curve and wait time. Also if the ECU is changed it can potentially allow Cobb to be a contendor again and BMS backend flashing possible. How long it will take is all speculation, your guess is just as good as mine.
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Well like any new motor tuning and aftermarket parts companies such as Burgertuning, Dinan, Evolution Racewerk, VRSF, etc all have to get their hands on one and figure out what can be done and then produce it so you are definitely looking at a learning curve and wait time. Also if the ECU is changed it can potentially allow Cobb to be a contendor again and BMS backend flashing possible. How long it will take is all speculation, your guess is just as good as mine.
I think as these engines are focused more and more towards efficiency there will be less and less able to be done with them. They end up engineered to work only with factory tune and anything else will just make them unstable. Just my theory.
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I think as these engines are focused more and more towards efficiency there will be less and less able to be done with them. They end up engineered to work only with factory tune and anything else will just make them unstable. Just my theory.
I think the engines are quite capable but cracking the ECU and doing proper tunes has become increasingly difficult and seems to be getting worse to get everything synched up. Maybe they'll start building in less headroom but I don't think that's a smart long term strategy even if it'll save a bit up front especially with turbo engines.
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As for every other Premium Brand, I would TRY to name the cars by their engine capacity and power output, transmission, so there is no mistake, i.e.
for F22
215i: 2 series 1.5 3 cylinder turbo 136 hp Gas----2016 218
220i: 2 series 2.0 4 cylynder turbo 189 hp Gas----- todays 220
220d:2 series 2.0 4 cylinder turbo 192 hp Diesel----- todays 220d
220iS: 2 series 2.0 4 cylinder turbo 240hp Gas------ todays 228---- 2016 230
230i; 2 series 3.0 6 cylinder turbo 320hp Gas-----todays M235-------2016 240

And so on, ad an A for automatic, X for awd
Maybe Shouldn´t be badged with the whole name (230iA X) but the base part (230) and the rest as part of the catalogue name.
Pretty much like it used to be before all that interbrand challenges.
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I was trying to think why the name "M240i" was bugging me, and it finally hit me...

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I was trying to think why the name "M240i" was bugging me, and it finally hit me...
But that was a cool car for it's time. One of my friends in college had one (showing my age).
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