[MikeASU09]

Originally Posted by Levi

So if it weighs 3000 lbs, has 400 hp, is RWD, and costs $40k, but has a Toyota badge you would not get it?

If it was purely a Toyota built in the last decade, probably not.

[W///]

Originally Posted by vantagesc

No one specific thing, but if the car feels like it's being overly held back to protect the M3, without having its own focused character, then I'd pass.

3500 lbs weight might make me think m3 instead at that point.



Cayman has the same feature in certain modes.

+1. I'm more interested in the size of the M2 than the M3, but if there's no huge difference, then at that point I might just get a used F80 for the same price.

Like I said, I just need to stop thinking about what's going to happen in 2 years because there's just way too many variables. Need to just enjoy what I have now

P.S. I don't know why people are even worrying about this auto rev match thing. It can be turned off and so many new MT cars have it now anyway.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Levi

So if it weighs 3000 lbs, has 400 hp, is RWD, and costs $40k, but has a Toyota badge you would not get it?

Keep dreaming

[phoenixbmwlife]

For me it's quite simple. If I cannot get a discount on it, if dealers want me to pay a markup, then I'll just get the M4. No sense buying the M2 if the markup is anything close to the M4.

[GuidoDoc]

Definitely my wife.

+1

Also would say:
1)price
2)missing true M car bits (LSD, seats, weight, etc.)
3)color combos - may sound cheesy but this one has to be just right.

[Cavpilot2k]

1. >3400 lb (I'd love to see 3300)
2. No MT (which is one reason, thought not the only one, that the RS3 is not in the running)
3. Rev matching that you can't opt out of (and it needs to have the ability to start up with it off - I don't want to have to deselect it every drive)
4. Comfort mode default every start - it's an M for crying out loud.
5. Not having a more aggressive steering program than the M235
6. > $55k with decent options (not fully loaded, but with a few options)



Re: the Golf R: Would you seriously cross-shop these? One thing about any model of Gold (the R's, the GTI, etc) that has always kept me from seriously considering them is the fact that I think they are butt-ugly. Am I the only one who thinks they still have the same bread-box look they've had for 30 years only with more rounded corners now? I am a VW fan. I've owned four of them, but never a Golf variant of any kind, because it could drive like a lamborghini, but I would still not buy it because they are simply ugly.

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by Bennu

For me it's quite simple. If I cannot get a discount on it, if dealers want me to pay a markup, then I'll just get the M4. No sense buying the M2 if the markup is anything close to the M4.

^^^This.

It shouldn't be as limited as the 1M but I'm definitely not paying OVER ED MSRP. Since I'm doing PCD, I'll mass email all 320 BMW dealers if I have to to get the best deal.

Otherwise I'd probably look into an M3/M4.

[Mark's M]

What vantagesc said....which was very well stated. I'd add an interior note. If it isn't anything over and above the current 2er, then I'll pass. Apologies to the handling purists but if I'm paying premium dollars (and I will be because we love to do this in Canada) then I'll expect a bit more refinement on the inside. You know...for those moments when I'm sitting at a red light or something equally boring.

[dmboone25]

Massaged N55 - aka, no real upside over the one in the 235
No effort at weight savings
Lack of expanded color choices
Lack of "manic" personality - it should improve on where the 1M left off

[Jarhead]

Originally Posted by vantagesc

No one specific thing, but if the car feels like it's being overly held back to protect the M3, without having its own focused character, then I'd pass.

3500 lbs weight might make me think m3 instead at that point.



Cayman has the same feature in certain modes.

Cayman only forces you to rev-match in its equivalent of sports plus
On regular and sport there is no rev-matching

I don't like driving everywhere in sports plus. The best solution would be just to have it on/off like the Stingray.

[moldcad]

Originally Posted by Cavpilot2k

Re: the Golf R: Would you seriously cross-shop these? One thing about any model of Gold (the R's, the GTI, etc) that has always kept me from seriously considering them is the fact that I think they are butt-ugly. Am I the only one who thinks they still have the same bread-box look they've had for 30 years only with more rounded corners now? I am a VW fan. I've owned four of them, but never a Golf variant of any kind, because it could drive like a lamborghini, but I would still not buy it because they are simply ugly.

Maybe the R is ugly, but the sheer driving pleasure is unbeatable! I have only put some 2000 miles on mine, but can tell you that out of the many cars I had (including 2 BMWs), this is the best driving one. The engine/power, the DSG dynamism, the true Sport and true Comfort programs, the steering, the ride & handling, the grip - all are top notch.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by HarmOG

Audi bringing the RS3 with a manual to the US. Based on how I feel about the 2 series, the M2 sounds like the perfect car. It would take similar performance/ fun with 4 doors to make me give up the coupe.

unfortunately that will never EVER happen! the previous RS3 was DSG only. Virtually ever Audi RS car has been DSG only as well aside from the TT-RS----which was like a last hurrah for Fast Audis with a manual transmission (save for the R8).

[W///]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

unfortunately that will never EVER happen! the previous RS3 was DSG only. Virtually ever Audi RS car has been DSG only as well aside from the TT-RS----which was like a last hurrah for Fast Audis with a manual transmission (save for the R8).

+1. I don't see that happening either

[sgrinavi]

Originally Posted by Jarhead

Cayman only forces you to rev-match in its equivalent of sports plus
On regular and sport there is no rev-matching

I don't like driving everywhere in sports plus. The best solution would be just to have it on/off like the Stingray.

My Cayman S doesn't have rev matching

[twin fed]

I don't think that there is anything that would keep me from getting this car. Unless something drastic happens in the next year and a half that would cause me to spend the money that I have saved or I win the lottery and can buy a GT3RS.

[sgrinavi]

Originally Posted by twin fed

I don't think that there is anything that would keep me from getting this car. Unless something drastic happens in the next year and a half that would cause me to spend the money that I have saved or I win the lottery and can buy a GT3RS.

If you won the lottery you could have both.

[twin fed]

Originally Posted by sgrinavi

If you won the lottery you could have both.

Good point

[sdpauly]

What would keep me from buying an M2?

Buying a Cayman GTS now because the M2 is unavailable and I don't want to wait anymore for something worth buying...

[technik330]

The only 'thing' that'd extinguish my interest in an M2 would be a blatant effort, by ///M, to hold the M2 back to protect the M3/M4.

Again, the M2 should be raw, aggressive and unapologetic. If you need balance, great news - buy an M3/M4.

Clearly if you can afford an M2, you could most likely 'ramp up' to the next level.

Either way, I'm pretty sure no one here will be disappointed.

[Colinv6]

I saw a Video today of the M4 with MPE, and I have to be honest... I'm smitten!

Hoping I can resist for the next year+

[Cavpilot2k]

Originally Posted by moldcad

Maybe the R is ugly, but the sheer driving pleasure is unbeatable! I have only put some 2000 miles on mine, but can tell you that out of the many cars I had (including 2 BMWs), this is the best driving one. The engine/power, the DSG dynamism, the true Sport and true Comfort programs, the steering, the ride & handling, the grip - all are top notch.

I do not doubt the fantastic driving dynamics.
I have had friends with GTIs who loved them, and the whole line gets nothing but great reviews. And like I said, I've owned 4 VWs, so I am a fan of the brand. I just wish they would step up their game on aesthetics. If I could get over the looks of the Golf series, I would already own one.

[Nobledriver]

Each of these seperately would make that I skip an M2 for sure:

• no manual option
• turbo lag
• < 6 cylinders (OK I know that you all say that an N55 version is a certainty but still I think it's not officially granted)
• < 360 bhp
• < 50% RWD
• length > 4,50m