[W///]

Originally Posted by GregD

Having driven both M135i & M235i (and 1M), I have a slight preference for the future M1
M2 will be a blast to drive on the track, but M1 (or M140i) would be the more practical, daily drivable car.

I'd gladly take an M1 hatch (highly highly doubt that if they did come out with one, it'll be called this). That would mean I can go from currently having 3 cars to 2 (the hatch and an E92 M3). Couldn't think of a more perfect garage for me.

Such a shame that BMW doesn't bring the same lineup to the US as what the rest of the world has.

[Dawko]

Originally Posted by W///

I'd gladly take an M1 hatch (highly highly doubt that if they did come out with one, it'll be called this). That would mean I can go from currently having 3 cars to 2 (the hatch and an E92 M3). Couldn't think of a more perfect garage for me.

Such a shame that BMW doesn't bring the same lineup to the US as what the rest of the world has.

Agree 100%. Small practical, useable car. And you get the price benefits in compensation of the lesser modelrange ()

[gtr]

Hatch is interesting. I wonder if bmw will go awd with the 1M/M2 keeping M3/M4 buyers from cross shopping?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Thank you so much!

This answers so many questions. LED Lights on the M2 seems like a go.

I'm suspecting the price to be close to 50K now. So pumped, this is great.

I am thinking it will be 52 or 53.

M235 - 44
M3 - 63

Split the difference...

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I am thinking it will be 52 or 53.

M235 - 44
M3 - 63

Split the difference...

Think of it this way though... if they price it closer to the M235i, there's a greater chance that a customer jumps from the M235i to the M2 - while M4 buyers are not as likely to jump ship over the same price difference, because it's a completely different model.

However I do believe 52-53 K sounds about right at this point.

And that new render... hot damn.

[W///]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I am thinking it will be 52 or 53.

M235 - 44
M3 - 63

Split the difference...

Assuming there's still a M235i or M240i whatever it's called. If they just got to a 240i, then there's a chance the M2 will start lower than that difference.

[twin fed]

As long as it starts under 55k I will be happy. But much happier if it is 52K. Cause if LED headlights are an option, that box is getting checked!!

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Think of it this way though... if they price it closer to the M235i, there's a greater chance that a customer jumps from the M235i to the M2 - while M4 buyers are not as likely to jump ship over the same price difference, because it's a completely different model.

However I do believe 52-53 K sounds about right at this point.

And that new render... hot damn.

Originally Posted by W///

Assuming there's still a M235i or M240i whatever it's called. If they just got to a 240i, then there's a chance the M2 will start lower than that difference.

Agree with you both - my guess is that the M235 will make a quiet exit as the M2 is coming on board...and then you have a 230i, 240i, and M2. The 240 will have options that will basically get you to where the M235 is now - but my guess is that the 240i won't start THAT much lower than the M235 now.

I am hoping so, but we will see. It will be interesting to watch as BMW lays out the strategy.

[W///]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Agree with you both - my guess is that the M235 will make a quiet exit as the M2 is coming on board...and then you have a 230i, 240i, and M2. The 240 will have options that will basically get you to where the M235 is now - but my guess is that the 240i won't start THAT much lower than the M235 now.

I am hoping so, but we will see. It will be interesting to watch as BMW lays out the strategy.

Let's assume they take the M235i out completely and do as you said, 230i and 240i only.

The gap currently between the 228i and M235i stands at a whopping $11k. Yea I know you get things included in the M235i as standard that is optional on the 228i, but that is still a huge gap (that M badge is $$$).

Now if you look at let's say a 328i vs a 335i, the gap is only $6k. So let's say the gap between the 230i and 240i is 6-8k, it definitely leaves enough room for the M2 to start right at 50k IMHO.

This is of course all assumptions and what not, but personally, I've got my eyes squarely on this M2. Even if it starts at $54k. I look forward as more info and spy pics are released, we needed it in this subforum

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by W///

Let's assume they take the M235i out completely and do as you said, 230i and 240i only.

The gap currently between the 228i and M235i stands at a whopping $11k. Yea I know you get things included in the M235i as standard that is optional on the 228i, but that is still a huge gap (that M badge is $$$).

Now if you look at let's say a 328i vs a 335i, the gap is only $6k. So let's say the gap between the 230i and 240i is 6-8k, it definitely leaves enough room for the M2 to start right at 50k IMHO.

This is of course all assumptions and what not, but personally, I've got my eyes squarely on this M2. Even if it starts at $54k. I look forward as more info and spy pics are released, we needed it in this subforum

I thought Scott said that the M235i will definitely not be discontinued? I believe I recall him saying that it is the beginning of BMW using the M badge infront of the name for US models or something. Idk. I could be wrong on that last bit.

[bimmerbuff]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

I thought Scott said that the M235i will definitely not be discontinued? I believe I recall him saying that it is the beginning of BMW using the M badge infront of the name for US models or something. Idk. I could be wrong on that last bit.

I thought the same - the M235i would be continued. It makes sense to ditch it though, if for no other reason than to avoid confusion. "The M235i is better! It's 35i more than the M2!" and other such nonsense.

[SCOTT26]

M235i becomes M240i. Don't worry there is still plenty to distinguish from the M2 just as a 335i or 435i is not an M3 or M4.

[RingMeister01]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

M235i becomes M240i. Don't worry there is still plenty to distinguish from the M2 just as a 335i or 435i is not an M3 or M4.

Very logical. Thank you as always, for your insight, sir.

[Seagull]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

M235i becomes M240i. Don't worry there is still plenty to distinguish from the M2 just as a 335i or 435i is not an M3 or M4.

Right. It's not just about bhp/ton and statistics...

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by RingMeister01

Very logical. Thank you as always, for your insight, sir.

What will be the difference between the M240i and M235i? I can't quite remember how the detailed numbering works. I believe it means a different engine right?

[amdmaxx]

Correct.

B58 engine in M240.. 330ish hp..
N55 in M235 - being phased out starting next year probably..

[RingMeister01]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

What will be the difference between the M240i and M235i? I can't quite remember how the detailed numbering works. I believe it means a different engine right?

The N55 will be replaced by the B58, in the 240i

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1008378

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by RingMeister01

The N55 will be replaced by the B58, in the 240i

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1008378

Originally Posted by amdmaxx

Correct.

B58 engine in M240.. 330ish hp..
N55 in M235 - being phased out starting next year probably..

Thank you for the explanation

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

M235i becomes M240i. Don't worry there is still plenty to distinguish from the M2 just as a 335i or 435i is not an M3 or M4.

Interesting - so if that's the case, and the M240 gets a modest price increase (which it definitely will), there's no way the M2 starts below 53-54k USD.

And it's going to have an old dumpy N55 when the M240 gets the new engine?

That can't be the plan. If it is, that's not gonna work very well.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by bimmerbuff

I thought the same - the M235i would be continued. It makes sense to ditch it though, if for no other reason than to avoid confusion. "The M235i is better! It's 35i more than the M2!" and other such nonsense.

Agreed.

Additionally, won't this will be the first "new" M performance car to be sold alongside a true M car?

They might have done it in the X lines - but you don't see an M335 and M3, an M435 and M4, etc...

Perhaps this will be the test case.

[SmallTownBoy]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Agreed.

Additionally, won't this will be the first "new" M performance car to be sold alongside a true M car?

They might have done it in the X lines - but you don't see an M335 and M3, an M435 and M4, etc...

Perhaps this will be the test case.

No. The M550d has co-existed with the M5. Also, the M135i next to the 1 Series M coupé.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by SmallTownBoy

No. The M550d has co-existed with the M5. Also, the M135i next to the 1 Series M coupé.

D still = diesel, yes? Ok, not paying much attention to that.

And I might be wrong, but the M135 was F20 and the 1M was an E82, yes? I am not sure that really counts, as the 1M would have stopped production prior to.

Just sayin - not the same thing.