[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by vertebra

Depends...do you want to feel the road and hear the engine or do you want to play a PS4 game?

*stands up and applauds*

[vertebra]

I get that the Tii would be lighter than the M235i but would it be positioned between the 228i and M235i or the M235i and M2?

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The four Cylinder Which I have talked about since last year is a proposal for an entry 2er which following in the 2002 will resurrect the infamous Tii badge and reverse Turbo designation. Think of entry point for those that can't reach the M2.

That wasn't clear at all. Nice to know that there will be a follow up to the 2002tii on the other hand.

[Grock]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

the 1M was probably as fun of an M car as possible in 2011.....and hopefully the M2 will carry that tradition further!

This I can agree on.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by vertebra

I get that the Tii would be lighter than the M235i but would it be positioned between the 228i and M235i or the M235i and M2?

maybe it will be an ACTIVE TOURER Tii!!!!!

lol. blasphemy reaches a new point of attack!

My prediction? The M235i will be promptly discontinued with the M2 comes out. The 230 or 235 'tii' will take its place...and will be a charged up 2 liter turbo.....there will probably be no more inline 6s for the 2-series unless it's an M2.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by golf_234

I think they are all great, but I do see what you are saying and agree in that the N54 had a rawness to it that was something special. That being said in the M235 with that tuned version, it's no slouch and outperforms. My only thing was, that I was definitely breaking the stock PSS's loose . The car needs wider rears.

Agreed on the tires - for looks and performance. The car would have a much meaner stance if the rubber were wider.

I wonder how much more can fit without rubbing....

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

maybe it will be an ACTIVE TOURER Tii!!!!!

lol. blasphemy reaches a new point of attack!

My prediction? The M235i will be promptly discontinued with the M2 comes out. The 230 or 235 'tii' will take its place...and will be a charged up 2 liter turbo.....there will probably be no more inline 6s for the 2-series unless it's an M2.

This makes sense to me as well - notice there's no M performance models for the 3 and 4 series right? That's because you have the M3 and M4.

Lineup gets seriously crowded with an M235, Tii, and M2...one will have to go.

That was one of the original reasons I thought the M2 might not ever be produced...because the M235 might be the "best" 2 series you can guy...we shall see...

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

This makes sense to me as well - notice there's no M performance models for the 3 and 4 series right? That's because you have the M3 and M4.

Lineup gets seriously crowded with an M235, Tii, and M2...one will have to go.

That was one of the original reasons I thought the M2 might not ever be produced...because the M235 might be the "best" 2 series you can guy...we shall see...

once they bring in the Active Tourer it's going to be a real mess in terms of nomenclature. It really does make sense though that BMW is going to start putting in more beefed up 4-bangers in the lineup.....kind of a shame though as i think the 135/235 occupies a certain genre in the lineup as a small car with a nice inline-6 that is relatively affordable and not a limited edition or hard-to-obtain.

as for the whole 'tii' thing, that was such a huge rumour during the duration of the 1-series and it never happened aside from that concept car----so i'm not sure if it will happen again. It kind of wouldn't make sense to throw the tii and the backwards turbo deal on the same car....as they were two different cars! Unless Scott was referring to the M2 having the whole backwards turbo thing and the 'tii' being a separate idea altogether.

[bimmer4life24]

Originally Posted by bimmer4life24

2017 M2 6cyl turbo?
2017 235i 4cyl turbo?
M235i gone

Wow. I called it right before having more news.

Lemme update it with:
2017 M2 6cyl turbo
2017 225tii 4cyl turbo
M235i gone

[sdpauly]

Originally Posted by bimmer4life24

Wow. I called it right before having more news.

Lemme update it with:
2017 M2 6cyl turbo
2017 225tii 4cyl turbo
M235i gone

3 years away?? I thought talk was of a 2015 or 2016 timeframe...

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by bimmer4life24

Wow. I called it right before having more news.

Lemme update it with:
2017 M2 6cyl turbo
2017 225tii 4cyl turbo
M235i gone

it definitely will be before 2017. the guy who gave us the N55 news said that his update usually comes 1 to 1.5 years before intro.

[bimmer4life24]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

it definitely will be before 2017. the guy who gave us the N55 news said that his update usually comes 1 to 1.5 years before intro.

So introduced in 2 years could be a MY2016. But more than likely a MY2017 released in Fall 2016 or even Spring 2017.

I don't see BMW introducing it in 2015. There would be no "breathing room" for the M235i and M3/4. Ppl would wait out on the M2 an extra year and M3/4 sales could decline

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by bimmer4life24

So introduced in 2 years could be a MY2016. But more than likely a MY2017 released in Fall 2016 or even Spring 2017.

I don't see BMW introducing it in 2015. There would be no "breathing room" for the M235i and M3/4. Ppl would wait out on the M2 an extra year and M3/4 sales could decline

the M235i is going away as soon as the M2 comes out....so that doesn't matter. I don't think M3/M4 sales will be affected by the M2....these smaller BMWs don't appeal to everyone it seems. People are after larger cars from the popular perspective. There's also this M3 'snob' appeal which the M2 doesn't have....just like the 1M didn't have. The M2 is less about image and more about FUN.

When i say 2015, introduced at the end of 2015 as a 2016 model.

[bimmer4life24]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

the M235i is going away as soon as the M2 comes out....so that doesn't matter. I don't think M3/M4 sales will be affected by the M2....these smaller BMWs don't appeal to everyone it seems. People are after larger cars from the popular perspective. There's also this M3 'snob' appeal which the M2 doesn't have....just like the 1M didn't have. The M2 is less about image and more about FUN.

When i say 2015, introduced at the end of 2015 as a 2016 model.

You could be right. IMO I just don't see BMW bringing it that early. Car manufactures also tend to introduced new models early in the year and not towards the end.

Who knows, they might even do the Tii model in 2016 and M2 2017.

[SW19]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The four Cylinder Which I have talked about since last year is a proposal for an entry 2er which following in the 2002 will resurrect the infamous Tii badge and reverse Turbo designation. Think of entry point for those that can't reach the M2.

Wonderful.Looks like the M2 will definitely have the I6 engine.

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The four Cylinder Which I have talked about since last year is a proposal for an entry 2er which following in the 2002 will resurrect the infamous Tii badge and reverse Turbo designation. Think of entry point for those that can't reach the M2.

so what car is this that you are talking about?

"Drop two cylinders of the Autoexpress article.

BMW want the fastest four cylinder car in its segment. They also want the M2 to be the most progressive and dynamic car in its segment as well as the lightest performance car. They want a car that has a soul, unlike the Mercedes-Benz AMG A45/CLA 45 which are soulless to drive."

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[Aust350z]

I'm confused too.

The 4-banger has for two years been deemed the engine for the "lightweight" M2.

Now we are getting a 6-year old engine (8 by the time its released) that's likely not even an S designation.

I need to go back and look at the weight calcs in the other rumour thread to see how porky the M2 might be.

[Ramos]

Originally Posted by Aust350z

I'm confused too.

The 4-banger has for two years been deemed the engine for the "lightweight" M2.

Now we are getting a 6-year old engine (8 by the time its released) that's likely not even an S designation.

I need to go back and look at the weight calcs in the other rumour thread to see how porky the M2 might be.

Two years?? The M2 as an idea didn't even surface one year ago and the "false" 4 cylinder rumors didn't start until 3-4 months ago

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by Ramos

Two years?? The M2 as an idea didn't even surface one year ago

Yes it did. It was well known there would be a 4 Series and a 2 Series and M derived models. It was well known that the M5 would drop its NA V10 for a FI V8, and so the M3 its NA V8 for a FI I6/V6, just as BMW's "Z2 M" that never came would get an FI I4 instead of a NA I6.

[Aust350z]

Originally Posted by Ramos

Two years?? The M2 as an idea didn't even surface one year ago and the "false" 4 cylinder rumors didn't start until 3-4 months ago

May 29th, 2011....

Although the 1er M Coupe showcases what is possible in a tight time frame, BMW will work to emulate the current car by making sure that weight loss is significant a benefactor because it looks to its forebears with the inclusion of a high performance four cylinder turbo charged engine.

Source was Scott26 (under Scott27 on that forum).

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by Aust350z

I'm confused too.

The 4-banger has for two years been deemed the engine for the "lightweight" M2.

Now we are getting a 6-year old engine (8 by the time its released) that's likely not even an S designation.

I need to go back and look at the weight calcs in the other rumour thread to see how porky the M2 might be.

Have you ever thought that maybe they are testing different engines, and that since this car is about a yr and half out, that nothing is set in stone?
Remember BMW is not like Mercedes, where you have the AMG models come out right beside the regular series models. And I think that this is part of the underlying issue. With other marques, one has a good guess what maybe powering them, but with BMW, what may be proposed today, will be axed in the future for a a volume maker.

[aajami]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

@Scott26 said that the M235i is a "stop gap car"... a car to fill the void until the M2 model is ready for the market.


Dack

Indeed, but that doesn't necessarily mean it goes away when the M2 is introduced in this case. Again, the E82 135i, 135is, and 1M all lived in harmony together, and there's less room between those three cars than there is between the 228i, M235i, and M2.

At any rate, it'll be interesting to see what happens with this.