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      02-08-2017, 04:51 PM   #1
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M235iX manual

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just a simple small questions
why do u guys think that BMW didnt make a manual transmission for the M235iX?
you can only get it in automatic...
and how come the 435iX has a manual transmission option?

to me it doesnt make sense !!!!!!
235i=435i its the same thing !!
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      02-08-2017, 04:59 PM   #2
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Within each model that a car company builds, the company must get each powertrain configuration EPA certified.

Since BMW sells more 3/4-series than 2-series vehicles, they are willing to certify more powertrain options for buyers of those vehicles.

BMW is only going to go so much trouble and expense for a lower-volume vehicle.
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      02-08-2017, 05:06 PM   #3
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Not only powertrain families in a chassis, but also impact testing to satisfy FMVSS 208. That's a lot of development and investment cost to probably not sell one more car than if they didn't offer it.
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Also how many direct competitors offer a manual trans and AWD? So you don't want an auto xDrive 2. What else are you going to get? Audi? Nope. Benz? Nope. They're simply not losing sales that would justify the cost. I can't think of anything else you could get without spending a lot more.
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      02-08-2017, 09:31 PM   #5
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BEM-S4 what do u mean???
like me i only want to drive manual thats why i got the M235i manual but i didnt get the X drive cause i dont wanna drive auto.......
so what do u mean in term of competitors....do they offer it? i know mercedes has no manual anymore...and audi still has a lot...
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BEM-S4 what do u mean???
like me i only want to drive manual thats why i got the M235i manual but i didnt get the X drive cause i dont wanna drive auto.......
so what do u mean in term of competitors....do they offer it? i know mercedes has no manual anymore...and audi still has a lot...
You cannot get an S3, CLA, C class, etc. in both AWD and manual. So if you want AWD you're stuck with an auto. Hence BMW xDrive auto isn't losing sales to S3 manual because it doesn't exist.
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You cannot get an S3, CLA, C class, etc. in both AWD and manual. So if you want AWD you're stuck with an auto. Hence BMW xDrive auto isn't losing sales to S3 manual because it doesn't exist.
None of those exist as manual, even without AWD...unless you are operating with alternative facts.
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You cannot get an S3, CLA, C class, etc. in both AWD and manual. So if you want AWD you're stuck with an auto. Hence BMW xDrive auto isn't losing sales to S3 manual because it doesn't exist.
None of those exist as manual, even without AWD...unless you are operating with alternative facts.
That's my whole point. If AWD is a prerequisite you cannot buy any of those with a manual transmission. You can't get them in a manual transmission period. If you can deal with RWD you can get the BMW.

It's not like I can decide I want something both AWD and manual and since BMW doesn't offer it in the 2 I could walk next door to MB or Audi and pick one up.
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I heard that manual with awd is not exciting to drive so thats why...they dont make it....
The only option would be impreza sti or porsche to have best of both world !!
I thought audi still makes a lot of manuals !!
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I heard that manual with awd is not exciting to drive so thats why...they dont make it....
The only option would be impreza sti or porsche to have best of both world !!
I thought audi still makes a lot of manuals !!
The older TT-RS (not the one just launced) only came in a manual. Oh, completely forgot you can get a Golf R in manual with 4motion.
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to make matters worst almost all the new bmws come with rev matching unless you disable all the nannies, which sucks. Rev matching is half the fun around town when there is not much else to do with driving dynamics.
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If the M235i was offered in AWD and 6spd I definitely would have went that route. But unfortunately I am probably one of a few people who fit this demographic hence why they didn't make it. Plus RWD is way more fun anyway haha!
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There may also be reliability issues - AWD is a lot more grip, which can really hit a clutch hard.

And fun is a hard thing to quantify - AWD is different kind of fun, but personally I prefer it. Around here, we get about 6 months of 'traction optional' weather, and the AWD makes for a very enjoyable 4-season sports car, whereas RWD would be much less so. I'm also getting to like the AWD style on dry pavement, but can certainly relate to loving the RWD for performance driving.
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Yea, if it had to be 4 seasons, it'd prob be a Golf R for me, but since I had the option, RWD any day of the week.
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it just sucks !! i would have gotten the M235iX manual !! but i cant now thats why i got the M235i manual now with no X drive and there is snow over here where i live !!
stupid BMW they do it on the 435ix not 235i like is really the 4 series sells a lot more ur gonna say?
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it just sucks !! i would have gotten the M235iX manual !! but i cant now thats why i got the M235i manual now with no X drive and there is snow over here where i live !!
stupid BMW they do it on the 435ix not 235i like is really the 4 series sells a lot more ur gonna say?
Spend 5-6k on a B5 S4 manual AWD and chip it for $500. Winter beater, manual, AWD. Problems solved. Have fun w it and sell it for what you've got into it in a few years.
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i hate Audi.....anything done by DAS auto = shit the whole group !!
im BMW 4 life !!
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This situation has been evolving for years. The fact of the matter is that there's rapidly dwindling demand for manual transmissions. Each powertrain combination must be certified with the Feds and is very costly to do. BMW can't justify the cost based on the small number of cars they sell and must choose which models to offer with a stick carefully. I would have gladly bought a 4 Series Cabrio but they don't sell it with a stick in the US. That's a major reason why I drive the M235i instead.

Years ago the BMW NA product development guys begged us to teach friends and family how to drive and appreciate manual transmissions, but they could see the handwriting on the wall. Combine this with the fact that automatics are really getting very good and the result is very limited choice if you like driving a stick.
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So the 230i RWD stick shift is really not too bad in snow. The traction control works great and the all season tires are pretty good. A little wheelspin and kicking the back end out a bit is ok. Get your wife a Subaru and get yourself some fun.

Learned to drive 2 wheel drive (actually 1 wheel drive) pickup truck which could get stuck in a flat parking lot in the rain.


shovelman,,,not the sharpest tool in the shed but able to get to the root of the matter
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from this explanation the Xdrive maybe cannot work without the automatic transmission unless they really redesign it....i dont know
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from this explanation the Xdrive maybe cannot work without the automatic transmission unless they really redesign it....i dont know
You can get a 6mt on a 340xdrive as well as a 440 as well..
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If I can get around my parts in a 2WD Dakota w/ open rear diff all winter, you can get around in a RWD 2 series with all the help from the nannies etc, combined with a good tire. Unless you drive scared of snow/ice, you shouldn't run into issues. Biggest thing for me, here, is not just the steep grades, the gravel they lay on the roads (they don't salt here) is brutal and can take 10 years off of a paint job on your front end in just a couple of winters. Once they sweep the roads, the 2 series comes back out.

Aside from personal convictions, the only issue I see with these cars being RWD in the snow is ground clearance. That would be my next issue here, next to the gravel. We can get over a ft of snow in one night, and my front end would literally get ripped off. There's a 996 Carerra 4 owner nearby that drives his car year round and there's no more lower bumper portion, lol, it's just gone. He made a custom license plate sticker to put on the top half of what was left, lol
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