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      06-03-2016, 08:03 AM   #353
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Long time lurker and BMW newbie (hoping to make an order next year)
Seeing as most posts have been focusing on the engine on the 240i and then slightly digressing from there, I was wondering whether anyone knew the technical differences between the 228i and the 230i engines.

Is it the same engine between the two just slightly updated or are the differences as stark as those between the engine in the 235 and 240i?
Big differences between 228i's and 230i's engines, probably comparable with the differences between the engines of the m235i and the m240i.
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... I only said that the M240i is not particularly light for its size...

I'd really love to see BMW produce a car about the size of the M240i, but 200 lbs less. ....
my impression is that the reason the F22s are relatively heavy for their size(I do agree with you) is because they share their platform with the F30 cars. my understanding is that, at least from the perspective of weight, it is preferable to have the largest model on a given platform. this is secondary to the smaller model being stuck with the immutable elements of the large platform, notwithstanding reductions in wheelbase, track, etc. another good example is the mqb golf vs polo wherein the polo is the victim. I gather that the next gen 2 series and G cars will again share a platform(CLAR) so the 2 series may again suffer. I'm no expert by the way so feel free to shed more light.
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Hi Guys

Long time lurker and BMW newbie (hoping to make an order next year)
Seeing as most posts have been focusing on the engine on the 240i and then slightly digressing from there, I was wondering whether anyone knew the technical differences between the 228i and the 230i engines.

Is it the same engine between the two just slightly updated or are the differences as stark as those between the engine in the 235 and 240i?
The 230i has a new B-series engine; the B48. There's a technical thread here on Bimmerpost:

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1133847

It's a completely new engine design, but follows BMW's same modular engine philosophy (500cc cylinder displacement, with modular block design, add/remove cylinders to meet varying displacement requirements) that has been around for a while now. There are significant differences, and the B58 (the six cylinder version) has proven to be very responsive to mods. Note that this doesn't transfer directly to the B48 found in the 230i, but it's encouraging, because the B48 is basically the B58 minus two cylinders.
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my impression is that the reason the F22s are relatively heavy for their size(I do agree with you) is because they share their platform with the F30 cars. my understanding is that, at least from the perspective of weight, it is preferable to have the largest model on a given platform. this is secondary to the smaller model being stuck with the immutable elements of the large platform, notwithstanding reductions in wheelbase, track, etc. another good example is the mqb golf vs polo wherein the polo is the victim. I gather that the next gen 2 series and G cars will again share a platform(CLAR) so the 2 series may again suffer. I'm no expert by the way so feel free to shed more light.
That's what I've heard elsewhere as well, and from trusted sources. If there is any hope, it is that we're seeing significant weight loss at the upper end of BMW's range. The new 7-series lost a few hundred pounds of curb weight, so as that technology trickles down to the less expensive models, we should see some additional weight savings.
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Questions on the upcoming 230i.

The announcement seems to imply that 230i is NOT going to get the auto rev matching (manual) and the latest 8AT is only going to be available for M240i. Is this correct?

How is the tuning potential for B46?

Also, when can we expect more info on LCI MY2018?

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Oooh both the 228i and M235i have dropped off the UK configurator and the 230i and M240i are now on the bmw.de configurator, so the UK won't be far behind. So I'll be able to actually find out what I've ordered.

No mention of Carplay on the .de site yet
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Does anyone know if the 230i will have the same new headlight options that the LCI F30 got? Halogens getting LED DRLs? Or are they keeping things same, same for the lowest model BMW (in America)?
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Does anyone know if the 230i will have the same new headlight options that the LCI F30 got? Halogens getting LED DRLs? Or are they keeping things same, same for the lowest model BMW (in America)?
It's just an engine change, not the actual LCI which I believe is expected the year after.
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The innovation package has become available as an option on the UK configurator. They haven't included the details of the package however.
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      07-31-2016, 02:31 PM   #362
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Impressive figures. I dont know if I would buy one, especially because I would be worries about the reliability of the new engines. The N55 has been around for a few years and has been proven to be fairly reliable. I wonder if the rev matching can be programmed into the older m235s in the future?
I'm with you. I'm very happy with my 2015 M235 coupe with the N55. The rule of thumb is that you're always best to get an engine or car model at or near the end of it's model year to let the manufacturer work out all of the kinks.
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I'm with you. I'm very happy with my 2015 M235 coupe with the N55. The rule of thumb is that you're always best to get an engine or car model at or near the end of it's model year to let the manufacturer work out all of the kinks.
but this is not the first year of the B58
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Having a hard time deciding between the 230i and M240i.

Things I absolutely will not budge on are the track handling package, the lighting package, and the premium package, for the 230i. On both cars, I'll do the cold weather package and probably navigation. At that point, the difference (I'm leasing) in monthly payments is down to less than $100 between the M240i and 230i. $600/mo vs $680/mo.

Now I drove a 228 that didn't even have the track handling package and I loved how nimble and quick it felt so I'm sure the 230i will meet my desires. But for less than 100 dollars per month more, I wonder if I'd regret leaving the M240i behind.

On the other hand, I honestly think that the M240i could get me into trouble.

Maybe there's more negotiation power with the 230i? Maybe the insurance cost of the M240i will be much higher and will negate the benefits... What does this forum think?

If I go and test drive an M235 of M240, I might not ever go back to the 228/230.
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Having a hard time deciding between the 230i and M240i.

Things I absolutely will not budge on are the track handling package, the lighting package, and the premium package, for the 230i. On both cars, I'll do the cold weather package and probably navigation. At that point, the difference (I'm leasing) in monthly payments is down to less than $100 between the M240i and 230i. $600/mo vs $680/mo.

Now I drove a 228 that didn't even have the track handling package and I loved how nimble and quick it felt so I'm sure the 230i will meet my desires. But for less than 100 dollars per month more, I wonder if I'd regret leaving the M240i behind.

On the other hand, I honestly think that the M240i could get me into trouble.

Maybe there's more negotiation power with the 230i? Maybe the insurance cost of the M240i will be much higher and will negate the benefits... What does this forum think?

If I go and test drive an M235 of M240, I might not ever go back to the 228/230.
First up, the 230i is plenty enough to get you in trouble, so don't let that push you away from the M240i. Both cars are plenty quick enough to break the law before you realize what you're doing.

It sounds like you haven't driven both.

Drive both.

Full stop.

Srsly, don't go buy a 230i without at least driving the M240i. You may find that you prefer the lighter front end of the 230i. Then again, you may find that you simply can't pass up the extra power of the M240i. Make sure you drive both.
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Drive both, feel the differences yourself. It's such a subjective decision that only you should make the final call for. I am biased and think you'll be happier in a 240 long term, because I came from 10+ years of 4cylinder turbo cars and finally back in a 6cyl which is a night/day difference in sound/feel. Especially the beautiful i6 available in these cars.

Just my $.02
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I'm with you. I'm very happy with my 2015 M235 coupe with the N55. The rule of thumb is that you're always best to get an engine or car model at or near the end of it's model year to let the manufacturer work out all of the kinks.
but this is not the first year of the B58
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I'm with you. I'm very happy with my 2015 M235 coupe with the N55. The rule of thumb is that you're always best to get an engine or car model at or near the end of it's model year to let the manufacturer work out all of the kinks.
That is true, but, the B58 has been around for over a year now. I've only seen like two recalls, for fairly minor parts in manual transmission 340is, and they affected like 20 VIN numbers.

It's just as easy to come up with an anti N55 argument by saying it's now outdated, the b58 aims to solve the cooling problems and provide more power and more tuning potential, and by sticking with the N55 you're seriously limiting yourself in the coming few years. Not that you should sell your car, but as someone who's deciding between a 2016 and a 2017, the B58 seems more attractive to me personally.
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That is true, but, the B58 has been around for over a year now. I've only seen like two recalls, for fairly minor parts in manual transmission 340is, and they affected like 20 VIN numbers.

It's just as easy to come up with an anti N55 argument by saying it's now outdated, the b58 aims to solve the cooling problems and provide more power and more tuning potential, and by sticking with the N55 you're seriously limiting yourself in the coming few years. Not that you should sell your car, but as someone who's deciding between a 2016 and a 2017, the B58 seems more attractive to me personally.
There's nothing crazy about choosing an N55 because the B58 is so new. The North American market has a different climate than Europe. It's not unusual for manufacturers to discover issues unique to the NA market. Not to mention, there are a whole laundry list of issues that won't show up after 1 year. Look at the number of early N20 owners who have had turbos replaced (I'm one of them) at around 30,000 miles.

I'm not saying it's the choice I'd make, but I can understand why someone would stick with the N55. It's very mature. The vast majority of people don't tune their cars, so "limiting yourself" doesn't apply to them.

I'm just saying everyone should keep an open mind about the reasons you might choose one or the other.
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An N55 powertrain is far from any "limiting" factor aside from it's stock form, which IMO is still very good. Tuning potential lies in the owners willingness to invest into performance add-ons.

It's simple with turbo engines,

Intake, DP, Intercooler and Tune. Anything more is usually above and beyond what most would do to their somewhat brand new cars. Weather an N54,N55 or B58, the same mods will still apply (aside from the AWIC in the B58), so the limiting factor is really in the owners hands. From what I've gathered, the N55 is a powerhouse for the little $ in upgrades. And from what's been said, the "reliability" factor is still pretty good for a "FBO" car.
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Pretty late update but after driving the 228i a month ago I did take the M235i out and it was game over.

Since then, I have taken a C63 AMG, C450 AMG, and Cayman out. Don't think I could go back to the 228 or 230.
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Pretty sure it's only a matter of time before an amped up version of the i6 makes its way on the M2
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That will never happen...
Don't know if it's a glitch/error or not, but if you go to canadian website www.bmw.ca and do build-and-price, there is an option for the 230i xdrive coupe with 6sp manual transmission (but not for the m240i xdrive). First time I've seen the xdrive with manual transmission option for the 2-series. Hope it's true!


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Don't know if it's a glitch/error or not, but if you go to canadian website www.bmw.ca and do build-and-price, there is an option for the 230i xdrive coupe with 6sp manual transmission (but not for the m240i xdrive). First time I've seen the xdrive with manual transmission option for the 2-series. Hope it's true!

That has to be a misprint...be cool if it wasn't!
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