[bobby66]

with great power comes great responsibilities....

[SeanE]

If I were you I would avoid posting that you were driving on public roads in sport+ mode. Not helping your case in the eyes of your insurance company. Who knows how thorough they will be, but they could probably even look at the CPU and see that you had disabled all of the systems which are meant to prevent exactly what happened here.

Any time I put it in that mode a voice in the back of my head says 'if you fuck up, you're gonna pay for this cuz you told the car to stop worrying about you'

Seems to me that S+ should be reserved for the track unless you're in an empty parking lot blowing donuts or something.

Maybe that's my 45+ age talking to me tho...you appear to be at least 20 years younger than me. God help me if I owned a car like this at that age.

[AlpsRider]

I doupt that Sport + is illegal, there is still hand holding going on. I don't think DSC off is even illegal, perhaps not wise if you are not paying attention.

[NOITALL]

Your car is totalled.
Glad you guys are ok. Lessons learned, on to the next ride.

Cheers.

[Ramos]

Originally Posted by SeanE

If I were you I would avoid posting that you were driving on public roads in sport+ mode. Not helping your case in the eyes of your insurance company. Who knows how thorough they will be, but they could probably even look at the CPU and see that you had disabled all of the systems which are meant to prevent exactly what happened here.

Any time I put it in that mode a voice in the back of my head says 'if you fuck up, you're gonna pay for this cuz you told the car to stop worrying about you'

Seems to me that S+ should be reserved for the track unless you're in an empty parking lot blowing donuts or something.

Maybe that's my 45+ age talking to me tho...you appear to be at least 20 years younger than me. God help me if I owned a car like this at that age.

Sports + still has a safety net, I would blame that if the OP (he/she) had been in DSC off (That is a Track only mode for sure).

This confirms what I have said before, this could have been avoided with proper driver training. I also do not believe that he/she was going 40MPH, more like 100 maybe..

[Zooks527]

Originally Posted by Cloudguan

After the accident I checked the scene, found the road on my side was all wet and covered by mud due to the rain the day before, maybe the cause of my car losing traction.

Originally Posted by Cloudguan

It was a 8 spd auto and I was in sport+.

Oh, I think I'd guess that the cause of your car losing traction was hooning a 320 HP car with the stability controls turned down on a winding public road.

I'd also bet a good dinner that the phrase "OK, watch this!" was uttered in the 5 minutes before the accident.

[SeanE]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

I doupt that Sport + is illegal, there is still hand holding going on. I don't think DSC off is even illegal, perhaps not wise if you are not paying attention.

Never said it was illegal...but that may not stop an insurance company from lawyerism as they deny the OP's claim.

[BentZero]

Hooning and i doubt the car was even broken in yet. :/ This reminds me of the time that I almost ate it on my moped. I used to take this turn onto the highway at full throttle and full speed leaning so far down that it would scrape the kick stand. Did it a million times. One day there was a patch of oil in my usual line.........

I'm glad that you're safe. I do like your taste in cars lol. Good luck with the insurance. I hope it'll get resolved quickly.

[scrape1]

Originally Posted by SeanE

Never said it was illegal...but that may not stop an insurance company from lawyerism as they deny the OP's claim.

Unlikely. Stupidity is always covered, and so is most illegal driving behavior. Intentional damage would constitute fraud and be grounds for denial. And probably prosecution.

Besides, DSC is active in Sport+. If it couldn't save the day then, it probably wouldn't have helped in Comfort either.

[snaketh]

I feel for you OP. It makes me glad that when I first started hooning around on twisty roads like that I was in a very under powered car. I spun out once but the speed was so low that the damage was minor.

Let us know if you end up getting it fixed.

btw: Your friend has some crazy dress sense lol

[moldcad]

Oh - how I feel your pain, man.... After 45 years of super-safe motoring (not a single scratch from my fault - not ever, on any of my many cars), a bad luck stroke finally me on the last New Year's Eve day for the first time... It started with my wife crashing my Golf R - not a write-off, but it's still being repaired. Only 10 days later I was setting out for one of those long business trips with my M235i - and due to my feeling bad that day (only semi-recovered from bad flu), I didn't hear a car approaching from my left and merged the lane (luckily inside the city, so very low speed), with it in my rear mirrors "dead zone". The left mirror broken, and the front left area just above the wheel, as well as the wheel itself, damaged quite badly... So it does happen - good no one was hurt!

Cars are repairable, so don't despair

[Zooks527]

Originally Posted by scrape1

Besides, DSC is active in Sport+. If it couldn't save the day then, it probably wouldn't have helped in Comfort either.

No. In Sport+, the car drops to DTC mode instead of retaining full DSC functions. More wheel slip is allowed and the system allows more oversteer than in Comfort or Sport modes.

Considering that the OP's car lost control via oversteering on a curve, it's quite possible that had he not been in Sport+ the system would have compensated for the conditions.

From page 115 of my manual:

SPORT+
Sporty driving with optimized suspension and
adapted engine control with limited driving stabilization.
Dynamic Traction Control is switched on.
The driver handles several of the stabilization
tasks.

In this case, it appears the driver may not have been handling several of the stabilization tasks very well.

[scrape1]

Originally Posted by Zooks527

No. In Sport+, the car drops to DTC mode instead of retaining full DSC functions. More wheel slip is allowed and the system allows more oversteer than in Comfort or Sport modes.

Considering that the OP's car lost control via oversteering on a curve, it's quite possible that had he not been in Sport+ the system would have compensated for the conditions.

From page 115 of my manual:

SPORT+
Sporty driving with optimized suspension and
adapted engine control with limited driving stabilization.
Dynamic Traction Control is switched on.
The driver handles several of the stabilization
tasks.

In this case, it appears the driver may not have been handling several of the stabilization tasks very well.

Allowing a little more straight line wheel spin is not necessarily allowing more yaw. SPORT+ is not a very aggressive mode, and DTC is not even active over 30mph. I doubt op would have crashed at under 30mph. Remember, DSC primarily provides directional stability by applying front brakes. That function is fully active in SPORT+. But you can defeat it by going fast enough.

[louielouie]

My cousin recently had their 328i hit. A van didn't see them scooting up at a stop sign and plowed straight into the side of their car. We're a bit nervous he's going to start some insurance fraud for a cash grab.. but anyway - It was at relatively low speed but the axel was bent and she'll need a new bumper, left headlight, left fender, front driver rim+tire and al couple interior tid bits. There's no frame damage. Total damage is ~$13,000.

That being said, your damage is substantially worse so I doubt there's any way your car won't be a total loss. If the initial shop doesn't declare it as such, I personally would consider the safety of that car.

Was this car bought or leased?

[Merc for hire]

I am sorry. But this is a huge embarrassment. To both BMW drivers and people of your nationality.

[Adam135]

Originally Posted by Merc for hire

I am sorry. But this is a huge embarrassment. To both BMW drivers and people of your nationality.

lol wtf

[ORIGIN M.]

Leave the traction control on next time and you will not flip your shit.

Lucky u hit no trees !

[midlifecrisis]

Originally Posted by Ramos

I am no expert but I have been doing HPDE with the BMWCCA for 8 years now..
Why were you driving that fast (obviously near or beyond the limit of the car and/or your abilities and skills) on a wet public road?

You mentioned knowing the braking zones, and that right there implies that you were pushing pretty hard. There are no braking zones on public roads, only on race tracks.

1) You should never go above 7/10 on public roads.. And trust me, 7/10 in the M235 is plenty fast and plenty fun
2) That gets dialled down even way more when the roads are wet
3) Invest in HPDE training, it will save your life next time and you will have fun on a track in a controlled environment rather than risking your life and the life of others on public roads.

Good advice on HPDE. The insurance surcharges would have bought a bunch of driver schools, OP, sorry for the hard lesson. Glad you're OK.

[aerostar]

Maybe don't do it on wet, public roads next time?

I'd say you're lucky as hell you didn't slam into a SUV carrying 3 toddlers and go to jail for murder.

[BentZero]

Originally Posted by Merc for hire

I am sorry. But this is a huge embarrassment. To both BMW drivers and people of your nationality.

Lol, wut?

[pimp4cheddar]

Originally Posted by Merc for hire

I am sorry. But this is a huge embarrassment. To both BMW drivers and people of your nationality.

[drakensoul]

If you use "people" and "nationality" as opposed to the implied racial slur, the inherent racism of the sentence drops by 63%.



Anyway, I'm thinking you missed at least one "braking zone" that looked something like: