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      01-29-2016, 04:31 PM   #23
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I stand corrected- at what month (generally) will you be no longer able to order a 2016 MY from the factory? She made it seem like I needed to order it before my June lease maturity date so as to retain the traditional free maintenance program, as the car would still be a 2016. Regardless, +1 for lease pull ahead.
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I stand corrected- at what month (generally) will you be no longer able to order a 2016 MY from the factory? She made it seem like I needed to order it before my June lease maturity date so as to retain the traditional free maintenance program, as the car would still be a 2016. Regardless, +1 for lease pull ahead.
IIRC, dealers can take orders for current-model-year vehicles about three weeks before they cease production, which would be mid-June.

Key word is 'can'; some dealers stop sooner, particularly for cars that they don't typically stock like the 2-series, primarily to maximize profit (new model year = less likely to discount) and minimize potential prior-model-year stock.
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Great. So Mike, I will have one aux radiator, correct (**still beating dead horse, lol**)? 2016 228i xDrive M Sport... I was unhappy there were no fog lights available with M Sport, but it forced me to select the ZLP without question. Actually, they threw in that and the HK audio after they quoted me $1,200 in excessive wear charges, but that's another whole story entirely. Can't wait.
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Great. So Mike, I will have one aux radiator, correct (**still beating dead horse, lol**)? 2016 228i xDrive M Sport... I was unhappy there were no fog lights available with M Sport, but it forced me to select the ZLP without question. Actually, they threw in that and the HK audio after they quoted me $1,200 in excessive wear charges, but that's another whole story entirely. Can't wait.
Hahaha! Touche, bud!

Yep: one radiator. (BTW, everyone: I've actually received official confirmation from BMW (through a pal) that M Sport (ZMM) and the Track Handling Package (ZHP) are the triggers for the second aux radiator.)

And ZLP is waaaay worth it for the angel eyes alone.
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I would skip 2017 and wait for the 2018
Or order a 2016
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      01-29-2016, 06:04 PM   #28
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I would skip 2017 and wait for the 2018
Or order a 2016
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I would skip 2017 and wait for the 2018
Production starts in July.

Cars are like shoes. When you need a new one you usually buy the latest model with little thought.
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      01-30-2016, 03:38 PM   #30
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I buy my shoes at TJ Maxx or Marshall's for $30, last year's models. If you view your purchasing of cars this way, you should be riding a Honda. Shitty shoes = better car.
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Question 2017 changes in maintenance plan

Hi Dan,
Do you have a link to an official announcement about this? I was at my dealer today talking about a 2017 ED 228i and he said the 4 yr maintenance plan was going away but didn't have details on what would replace it. Thanks in advance for your reply.

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The biggest change is that free maintenance will be three years beginning with the 2017 models vs. four years for the 2016 models.
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I stand corrected- at what month (generally) will you be no longer able to order a 2016 MY from the factory? She made it seem like I needed to order it before my June lease maturity date so as to retain the traditional free maintenance program, as the car would still be a 2016. Regardless, +1 for lease pull ahead.
I was talking with my dealer and he said to be safe we needed to order my MY 2016 by April. He was probably being conservative, but I think you would be solidly in the clear with an April order. (Spolier: I got tired of waiting, so ordered mine in January.)

I was debating between the 2016/17/18 MYs and ultimately went with the 16 because the maintenance change, the N55's proven reliability, and because I got tired of waiting.
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I was talking with my dealer and he said to be safe we needed to order my MY 2016 by April. He was probably being conservative, but I think you would be solidly in the clear with an April order. (Spolier: I got tired of waiting, so ordered mine in January.)

I was debating between the 2016/17/18 MYs and ultimately went with the 16 because the maintenance change, the N55's proven reliability, and because I got tired of waiting.
Yes, I was reading about the f22 reliability topic and was shocked to see that CR says above average for the 2 series. Where are they getting the data for this, since the f22 has only been in production since 2013? I was also impressed that it won a JP Power & Associates initial quality study award. How is the quality in the 2 series different that that of the f30? I can say that my 2013 320i xDrive was very disappointing in terms of interior quality from the start. The trim is cheap silver plastic which is scratched and looks tacky, with wide gaps around the edges on the door pull handles. The plastic trim around the audio and climate stacks can be pressed in almost a half an inch because it is so thin. The plastic on the transmission tunnel is entirely hard-touch plastic. The soft touch plastic paneling on doors is damaged from entering and exiting the vehicle. Why would you put a soft, pliable material that is going to be struck by shoes or boots on the door and then place black, hard plastic where my knee rests? Did BMW learn a thing or two from the first two production years of the f30 in terms of reliability and quality? I have only experienced the 2 series at the dealer, auto shows, and once as a loaner- hardly enough seat time to judge it versus the f30 model I've had for 3 years. Thanks for commenting!
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Yes, I was reading about the f22 reliability topic and was shocked to see that CR says above average for the 2 series. Where are they getting the data for this, since the f22 has only been in production since 2013? I was also impressed that it won a JP Power & Associates initial quality study award. How is the quality in the 2 series different that that of the f30? I can say that my 2013 320i xDrive was very disappointing in terms of interior quality from the start. The trim is cheap silver plastic which is scratched and looks tacky, with wide gaps around the edges on the door pull handles. The plastic trim around the audio and climate stacks can be pressed in almost a half an inch because it is so thin. The plastic on the transmission tunnel is entirely hard-touch plastic. The soft touch plastic paneling on doors is damaged from entering and exiting the vehicle. Why would you put a soft, pliable material that is going to be struck by shoes or boots on the door and then place black, hard plastic where my knee rests? Did BMW learn a thing or two from the first two production years of the f30 in terms of reliability and quality? I have only experienced the 2 series at the dealer, auto shows, and once as a loaner- hardly enough seat time to judge it versus the f30 model I've had for 3 years. Thanks for commenting!
Were these comments meant to be a joke? CR send subscribers questionaires to report on their cars, appliances and others purchases. I get CR and report every year on my cars. Why would you be "shocked" about the F22? BMW in general is above average quality according to JDPower. You can hardly judge a brand or a car by a few interior pieces that don't meet your expectations. I have a 2013 X1 and 2014 M235 and zero problems with either car since purchase.
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Were these comments meant to be a joke? CR send subscribers questionaires to report on their cars, appliances and others purchases. I get CR and report every year on my cars. Why would you be "shocked" about the F22? BMW in general is above average quality according to JDPower. You can hardly judge a brand or a car by a few interior pieces that don't meet your expectations. I have a 2013 X1 and 2014 M235 and zero problems with either car since purchase.
German cars are known for having average or below average reliability in general, especially when compared to the likes of Toyota and Honda. The excessive engineering that goes into them makes this the case. Is this what makes them loads better than the average Camry, undoubtedly. I will never drive a used German engineered vehicle without a warranty, ever.
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Yes, I was reading about the f22 reliability topic and was shocked to see that CR says above average for the 2 series. Where are they getting the data for this, since the f22 has only been in production since 2013? I was also impressed that it won a JP Power & Associates initial quality study award. How is the quality in the 2 series different that that of the f30? I can say that my 2013 320i xDrive was very disappointing in terms of interior quality from the start. The trim is cheap silver plastic which is scratched and looks tacky, with wide gaps around the edges on the door pull handles. The plastic trim around the audio and climate stacks can be pressed in almost a half an inch because it is so thin. The plastic on the transmission tunnel is entirely hard-touch plastic. The soft touch plastic paneling on doors is damaged from entering and exiting the vehicle. Why would you put a soft, pliable material that is going to be struck by shoes or boots on the door and then place black, hard plastic where my knee rests? Did BMW learn a thing or two from the first two production years of the f30 in terms of reliability and quality? I have only experienced the 2 series at the dealer, auto shows, and once as a loaner- hardly enough seat time to judge it versus the f30 model I've had for 3 years. Thanks for commenting!
Nothing has changed with the crappy interior...same shit different model. Most do not buy a BMW for the interior. Nice interior is what you give up for the sweet drive train...at this price point anyway.
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Nothing has changed with the crappy interior...same shit different model. Most do not buy a BMW for the interior. Nice interior is what you give up for the sweet drive train...at this price point anyway.
This is why I was surprised with JD Power's Initial Quality Study and the 2 series award, especially since the interiors for the coupes/sedans are so similar and share many of the same materials. I'm not sure how much initial quality really refers to interior materials/fit and finish, but maybe they saw significant differences in quality between the first f30 models and the f22s. I don't believe the most current gen. 3 series won this same award. This is why I was asking if someone knew something I didn't in terms of the in these two model lines, besides 'quality' being somewhat subjective in general.
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I want to order a new 2 series. Leaning toward a bare bones 228i to keep weight down. I am wondering if anyone has seen info about any changes expected on this model for 2017, especially in terms of suspension packages available. I have read that the new model will likely be 230i. Also, what is the earliest date I could order a '17?
This last week my dealer in SLO told me I could reserve an ED delivery date 6 mo ahead of time so I'll be doing that 3/20 for a 9/20 delivery. I won't be actually order the vehicle until May though when the new pricing guide/order forms are released.
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Nothing has changed with the crappy interior...same shit different model. Most do not buy a BMW for the interior. Nice interior is what you give up for the sweet drive train...at this price point anyway.
So far my bimmer seems to be fairly solid overall. The interior is good compared to other cars I've owned except for Audi. I think Audi has the one of the most solid interiors on the market. I had an old A4 and after 15 years and 100,000 miles it had no air leaks or rattles.
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More than that,

outside the maintenance being shorter, brakes are no longer included, neither are clutches, or wiper blade inserts.

Basically the maintenance includes oil changes....
You can think of it as a (potentially substantial) price increase. On the other hand, the maintenance was previously limited to the first owner, so for anyone leasing for 3 years the maintenance already ends when the lease does, unless you buy out the residual. Brake gently, and you'll be fine.
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This is why I was surprised with JD Power's Initial Quality Study and the 2 series award, especially since the interiors for the coupes/sedans are so similar and share many of the same materials. I'm not sure how much initial quality really refers to interior materials/fit and finish, but maybe they saw significant differences in quality between the first f30 models and the f22s. I don't believe the most current gen. 3 series won this same award. This is why I was asking if someone knew something I didn't in terms of the in these two model lines, besides 'quality' being somewhat subjective in general.
I think you are all misinterpreting the JDPowers quality reports. In these reports, "quality" means how many reported problems per 100 vehicles in their first months. "Reliability" means how many problems, and which ones, crop up later. Reliability tends to decline with the age of a model as the miles accumulate and stuff happens. Newer models (first year or two or three) in general have higher reliability ratings than older ones in Powers and Consumer Reports studies. Whether the knobs and buttons on your dash look or feel or taste good when new doesn't enter into the quality ratings.
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I had an old A4 and after 15 years and 100,000 miles it had no air leaks or rattles.
Off topic, but how'd the electronics hold up? i have not met one pre-B8 A4 owner who didn't have dozens of electrical gremlins and sensor issues.
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Off topic, but how'd the electronics hold up? i have not met one pre-B8 A4 owner who didn't have dozens of electrical gremlins and sensor issues.
It was pretty reliable. I had trouble with the cruise control, but I've had cruise control problems in 3 different Audis. The only other thing that happened was the water pump went out which is a major b*tch and costs a fortune in labor. It's best to just change the timing belt at the same time. Other than that it was just maintenance. It was actually a really nice car, I liked it a lot. I wish Audi offered one that size now with the center differential quattro system, the A3 and TT I believe have the Haldex system. The new A/S 4s are getting too big for me.
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The biggest change is that free maintenance will be three years beginning with the 2017 models vs. four years for the 2016 models.
The biggest change is the new engines.

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