[Corinne]

Hello all ! I'm wondering what your thoughts are concerning the possible launch date of an M2 convertible ? Does the convertible version of new BMW models tend to follow within the same year ? I'm not even aware if the 1M was available as a convertible, but, if it was, how long it appeared after the launch of the coupé.... Thanks.

[-JLT-]

not going to happen

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by -JLT-

not going to happen

I wouldn't go that far.. BMW usually does make a convertible model of 2 door M cars. As a matter of fact.. the shortened life cycle 1M may be the only model to not have a convertible in a long time.

Originally Posted by Corinne

Hello all ! I'm wondering what your thoughts are concerning the possible launch date of an M2 convertible ? Does the convertible version of new BMW models tend to follow within the same year ? I'm not even aware if the 1M was available as a convertible, but, if it was, how long it appeared after the launch of the coupé.... Thanks.

typically , M convertible models appear approximately one model year after the coupe version.

[-JLT-]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I wouldn't go that far.. Aside from the absence of a 1M vert.... BMW usually does make a convertible model of 2 door M cars.



typically , M convertible models appear approximately one model year after the coupe version.

only reason I say no is cuz I think they want to make the M2 more of a "focus" sports car but I may be wrong :

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by -JLT-

only reason I say no is cuz I think they want to make the M2 more of a "focus" sports car but I may be wrong :

in your parlance...the most " focused" M3 models... the E30 M3 and E46 M3.. both had a Sport Evo and CSL model..... and a convertible ..

E30, E36, E46, E90, F80 M3 all have convertibles

1M did not... M2 ... ? with a full 7 year life cycle for the 2 series as long as 2 series verts are selling well. And with the crazy price of the Z roadsters... as well as their age........ I would say odds on that they would make an M2 vert unless that category is shrinking badly

If BMW wants a "focus" model in the 2 series range.. that would be most easily done with a CSL model...

[-JLT-]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

that would be easily done with a CSL model...

u may be right. we'll see.

[jzmundy]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

in your parlance...the most " focused" M3 models... the E30 M3 and E46 M3.. both had a Sport Evo and CSL model..... and a convertible ..

E30, E36, E46, E90, F80 M3 all have convertibles

1M did not... M2 ... ? with a full 7 year life cycle for the 2 series as long as 2 series verts are selling well. And with the crazy price of the Z roadsters... as well as their age........ I would say odds on that they would make an M2 vert unless that category is shrinking badly

If BMW wants a "focus" model in the 2 series range.. that would be most easily done with a CSL model...

I wasn't even aware the E30 M3 was offered in ragtop form. You learn something new everyday

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by jzmundy

I wasn't even aware the E30 M3 was offered in ragtop form. You learn something new everyday

Available in Europe but not the US.

There are a few cars that have been imported here and a couple of project cars that have been modified.

[W///]

Originally Posted by jzmundy

I wasn't even aware the E30 M3 was offered in ragtop form. You learn something new everyday

Definitely not something you see everyday. I grew up in Europe, and never saw one IRL

[hyperzulu]

The M2 convertible will not be hardcore enough for you once you take the shipping blocks off the suspension. May I suggest a go kart?

[qballis]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

in your parlance...the most " focused" M3 models... the E30 M3 and E46 M3.. both had a Sport Evo and CSL model..... and a convertible ..

E30, E36, E46, E90, F80 M3 all have convertibles

1M did not... M2 ... ? with a full 7 year life cycle for the 2 series as long as 2 series verts are selling well. And with the crazy price of the Z roadsters... as well as their age........ I would say odds on that they would make an M2 vert unless that category is shrinking badly

If BMW wants a "focus" model in the 2 series range.. that would be most easily done with a CSL model...

F80 M3 has a convertible? You have any pics?

[-JLT-]

Originally Posted by qballis

F80 M3 has a convertible? You have any pics?

haha, I think he meant M4 vert

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I wouldn't go that far.. BMW usually does make a convertible model of 2 door M cars. As a matter of fact.. the shortened life cycle 1M may be the only model to not have a convertible in a long time.

Actually, according to SCOTT26 a unicorn 1M Cabrio exists, hidden at some BMW M facility.

Scott26: "We are certainly in a much better position to propose an M2 Cabrio. They did make one for the 1er M Coupe but it never made production."
http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showp...6&postcount=10
"I don't think it is @ M [BMW M secret garage featuring rarities]. But at the other facility."
(http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showp...6&postcount=13)

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by qballis

F80 M3 has a convertible? You have any pics?

120/121... Whatever it takes. (Chevy Chase voice )

[galeface]

Do you guys think they would stick to a soft top if they did?

[tux2005]

Almost certainly, I doubt they'd want to put the development money into a hard top unless they were already doing it for the regular series cars. Especially if the idea is to give people reasons to move up to the M4.

It's for the same reason that an M2 GC is really unlikely unless there's a regular 2 series GC they've been hiding very well in development.

[fuddman]

The short answer: To date, no convertible mules have been spotted, so not in 2016. 2016 mules, 2017 production.

The long answer: I'm not sure development of an M2 convertible would follow the same time pattern as the other series cars. The M2 will only have an 8 month production window. Other series cars (M4, M6, etc.,) have 12 month production windows, in essence, continuous production. This, it seems to me, is important because it affects the amount of profit a model can achieve.
M2 convertible production would have to be, somehow, squeezed into the 8 month window along side coupe production. Question is: since the entire first year (2016) coupe production is fixed (limited by time) and likely sold out, would it make economic sense to eliminate a coupe in the assembly line and substitute a convertible in its place? In 2016, I don't see that happening. For one thing, in 2016, the M2 coupe sales are, IMO, going to have to recover M2 coupe development cost. Only after that's happened will the the M2 produce profit. Once that point is reached, I would think, is when the convertible begins to make sense from a profit standpoint. Another time element is when M2 Coupe sales start to slacken. That, it seems to me, opens up slots in the assembly line for convertible production. Above all, however, there has got to be enough convertible sales to cover the cost of convertible development and then achieve a profit. This, IMO, because of the 8 month production limit, seems like the main sticking point about, not only when the convertible will be produced, but whether it will be produced at all.

[Cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by galeface

Do you guys think they would stick to a soft top if they did?

Definitely, they would not be able to add the cost/complexity of the hard top, that's a complete change to the architecture and design of the car and a massive weight penalty.

[Corinne]

I would have thought that there wouldn't be much extra development work to be done, given that the M235i exists in convertible form. I would never buy an M2 unless it were a convertible. I've got to make up my mind at the end of the year whether to order an M235i convertible or wait. :-(

[Bamowe]

As i said it in a other thread: The decision isn't made if there will come a M2 convertible. But the decision will be made till december 2015. It depends also a little bit on the M4 convertible sales.

I got this from a very trustable source, otherwise I wouldn't post this here (as some of you know me).

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by Corinne

I would have thought that there wouldn't be much extra development work to be done, given that the M235i exists in convertible form. I would never buy an M2 unless it were a convertible. I've got to make up my mind at the end of the year whether to order an M235i convertible or wait. :-(

I am not trying to discourage you when I say this. I'm like you- if they say a convertible is a go, I wait, too.

As I understand it, the M2 rear end drive train is the same as the M4 which, I think, is quite a bit different from the M235 rear end. Then there is the engine differences as well. When you add these up, an M2 convertible and m235 convertible, to me (not an auto engineer, btw) seem structurally pretty far apart. Whether this would require significant amounts of R & D, I don't know. Let's hope not!

[Corinne]

Well if they DO produce a convertible I sincerely hope it'll be a rag top. I hate hard top convertibles.