[Paul-Bracq-BMW]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Thank you for the cite--and that makes sense to me. It has been the message for a while from BMW. I think we will know more when we get some real world weights, but there's no way the M235 is weighing more than an M3/M4....

From BMW international, unladen weight for:

M4: 1572kg (3465lbs) http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...ata/index.html

M3: 1595kg (3516lbs)
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...ata/index.html

M235i: 1530kg (3373lbs)
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...&model_2=M235i

So the M235i is lighter than the M4/M3, but marginally (especially the M4) and the M4 is a much bigger car...

[Paul-Bracq-BMW]

By the way, Autocar UK will have their 1st drive of the M235i next week (January 22nd edition).

You can download the mag here: http://magazine3k.com/magazine/transport/)

So it means that the blackout for publishing 1st drives of the car will be lifted next week and we'll see these 1st impressions in different automotive web sites...

Really looking forward to this!!

[ozinaldo]

Originally Posted by scheneider

Great news for a great car,

Im not that surprise, many M135i have more power output that the claimed 320HP
Mine run around 330-340 stock

maybe they just dont want to upset the 1M owners that soon

Not at all. They are both underrated in a similar way; M135i is more like a 340 hp car (as it is dynoed by Sport Auto itself) and 1M is more like 360, the advertised difference is still there in real world. Torque-wise same story one is more like almost 500 nm car, not 450; and the other (1M) more like 550 nm, not 500...again difference is there.

By the way, most 1M owners don't give a rat's axx which car has more power than theirs or faster

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Paul-Bracq-BMW

By the way, Autocar UK will have their 1st drive of the M235i next week (January 22nd edition).

You can download the mag here: http://magazine3k.com/magazine/transport/)

So it means that the blackout for publishing 1st drives of the car will be lifted next week and we'll see these 1st impressions in different automotive web sites...

Really looking forward to this!!

Me too - I think that it's going to be great to hear people compare it to the E82 135, 1M, and E92 M3.

Can't wait to see some action shots of this baby too.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Paul-Bracq-BMW

From BMW international, unladen weight for:

M4: 1572kg (3465lbs) http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...ata/index.html

M3: 1595kg (3516lbs)
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...ata/index.html

M235i: 1530kg (3373lbs)
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...&model_2=M235i

So the M235i is lighter than the M4/M3, but marginally (especially the M4) and the M4 is a much bigger car...

Wasn't the E82 135 around 3350 pounds as well ? I just hope it doesn't feel like a pig !!

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by dd1981

I'm holding you to that

It will be fun for sure - always like to get some good pics of the car in Chicago.

[ozinaldo]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

My experience with both PS2's and PSS's on my Z3 M Coupe are that the PSS's have a softer sidewall and wear much better than PS2's, but they were not an improvement on the track. Look elsewhere for your huckleberry. I think the only cars they truly helped are much heavier than the 1M or the M235i.

PSS is the best single mod for a daily driven 1M...by far...witnessed by many of us. You are wrong about your assumption that a Z3M Coupe and a 1M should be similar; in fact there is an enormous torque and delivery difference between the two.

I had my 1M partially because I couldn't have a Z3 M Coupe in the past, huge fan!

[Cuz5150]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I don't think those numbers are right...they have said many times the E82 and M235 were going to be very close...but we need independent tests

Ask and you shall receive.....My now sold 09/manual trans/idrive/full tank of gas.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by Paul-Bracq-BMW

From BMW international, unladen weight for:

M4: 1572kg (3465lbs) http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...ata/index.html

M3: 1595kg (3516lbs)
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...ata/index.html

M235i: 1530kg (3373lbs)
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...&model_2=M235i

So the M235i is lighter than the M4/M3, but marginally (especially the M4) and the M4 is a much bigger car...

international weights mean nothing. we are talking US weights. check the BMW USA site.

[Paul-Bracq-BMW]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Wasn't the E82 135 around 3350 pounds as well ? I just hope it doesn't feel like a pig !!

M135i's unladen weight is 1500kg or 3307lbs: http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...&model_2=M135i

[chrisk03]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Interesting... Is this BMW M. Garching? Or BMW M. North America?
Because in Garching the excitement is building for this car. They already know how good the standard M235i is and they know the potential a full blown M can do to reputation and sales- the BMW 1er M Coupe justified that.

At M. It is now about lightweight , its about using a lightweight philosophy to obtain that expected and greater level of precision.
The strategy for the M2 shows how a lightweight philosophy would be the greatest advantage for an M2 along with more or less the same recipe as the 1er M Coupe.

Ah, good question...this specific individual was BMW M NA, but obviously spends time in the motherland.

I completely agree with what you are saying above, but the 1er M Coupe was done in such limited quantities, what, less than a grand in the US, that an M2 can't be justified. If you think about a fully loaded M235, I believe the one I built came in around $52k. A M2 would be a bit more expensive than that M235i price, BUT probably push right on or only slightly over the M3/M4, especially if they go lightweight philosophy with CF, etc. Too much potential cannibalization and redundancy of the higher margin M3/M4. I'm guessing most would opt for the M2 then, based on performance and that's probably what BMW is thinking. At least at this point, however. We'll see, but if they do an M2, it's probably years away, especially seeing the initial reaction to the M235i...they don't see the need for the M2 in the limited quantities they'd probably make available again like the 1er M Coupe.

[Paul-Bracq-BMW]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

international weights mean nothing. we are talking US weights. check the BMW USA site.

Why, BMW's in the US eat more Big Macs too and are portlier??? :-D

[bimmerjph]

Originally Posted by Paul-Bracq-BMW

Why, BMW's in the US eat more Big Macs too and are portlier??? :-D

Actually, that seems to be the case. BMWNA ordered a large order of options as standard. And as a result we have a car that is disgustingly overweight, and its way too expensive to sell in half decent numbers.

Edit: Let me put this into an analogy.

The left is the M235i we thought we were going to get, the right is what they unveiled at Detroit.

[chiphead]

Weight reduction was one of the goals of F30 compared to E90. M4 takes it a step further with CF bits. F22 is a slight mod of the E82 and weight reduction reduction costs $$$ and unfortunately there isn't much you can do with the limited budget.

[Greenkirby21]

I still think it is extremely stupid how you can get a 228 sport line with Oyster with Dark leather accents sport seats... but you can't on the M235i...

[bimmerjph]

Originally Posted by chiphead

Weight reduction was one of the goals of F30 compared to E90. M4 takes it a step further with CF bits. F22 is a slight mod of the E82 and weight reduction reduction costs $$$ and unfortunately there isn't much you can do with the limited budget.

Weight reduction was "not one of the goals". The current 328i is heavier than the old one. Only the 335i is slightly lighter than the old one.

Had weight reduction been a serious goal, they wouldn't be using a 2L aluminum block turbo four over a magnesium/aluminum block NA 6.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by bimmerjph

Actually, that seems to be the case. BMWNA ordered a large order of options as standard. And as a result we have a car that is disgustingly overweight, and its way too expensive to sell in half decent numbers.

Edit: Let me put this into an analogy.

The left is the M235i we thought we were going to get, the right is what they unveiled at Detroit.

That's hilarious.

[hyperboost]

let hope for M2 or 2M

[chiphead]

Originally Posted by bimmerjph

Weight reduction was "not one of the goals". The current 328i is heavier than the old one. Only the 335i is slightly lighter than the old one.

Had weight reduction been a serious goal, they wouldn't be using a 2L aluminum block turbo four over a magnesium/aluminum block NA 6.

Yes the dimensions of the 3 series grew, but the weight magically stayed the same. Use your brain man, these things don't happen by accident.

[bimmerjph]

Originally Posted by chiphead

Yes the dimensions of the 3 series grew, but the weight magically stayed the same. Use your brain man, these things don't happen by accident.

If weight REDUCTION was the goal, then the weight would have been REDUCED rather than have an increase of weight in the volume model and only a slight decrease in the top end model.


Anyway, I'm sending an e-mail to BMWNA to ask if that is a typo. I'm really hoping it is.

[Paul-Bracq-BMW]

Originally Posted by bimmerjph

Actually, that seems to be the case. BMWNA ordered a large order of options as standard. And as a result we have a car that is disgustingly overweight, and its way too expensive to sell in half decent numbers.

Edit: Let me put this into an analogy.

The left is the M235i we thought we were going to get, the right is what they unveiled at Detroit.

Hilarious!!!

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

As long as you didn't pay over sticker it was a great deal.

Yes it was. I bought it when it was a bit more than one year old, 10k miles (BMW AG car from Munich) and 15k euros cheaper than new. And I got the whole 2 year BMW warranty stuff as well.

Cheers
Robin