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The only thing that sells is the escalade. They are giving away the Ats ans cts. Both of those cars are on the list to avoid by consumer reports. Go Build a ats on true car ans look at the discount. I haven't looked at ats v sales but I have only seen one on the road. I see m4's everywhere
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08-11-2016, 09:21 AM | #24 |
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I test drove one, did the research, came to the conclusion that you get the same or better performance (driver dependent) than it's rivals with out the M, AMG, RS tax. They are hard to find in the combo that I want. They aren't selling and dealers try to dealer trade rather than special order what you want. Lease it. It's not a bad deal. Here's the one I drove. Sounded glorious.
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If price is all that matters, go for the ATS-V - just don't be too disappointed that it isn't as much of a driver's car as the M235i. I personally would never buy ANY GM vehicle, particularly one as overpriced as a Cadillac. They expect people to pay more for the name, when there's really nothing different under the skin from a Chevrolet. They take a Chevrolet, change the grille and taillights, put a Cadillac emblem on it and then price it $25K more and expect people to buy it as a symbol of "look how much money I'm willing to spend for the Cadillac name". And how many people bought the Cadillac XLR for $25K more than the Corvette it was underneath?
GM has long been run as a bottom-line-dependent public corporation (I worked for a company that was bought by GM in the 1980s), and as such, all they cared about was profit and shareholders. They were so mismanaged that they had to take a government bailout to stay afloat. Look at the recent scandals about knowingly allowing poorly-engineered components to be put into thousands of vehicles because doing it right would have cost maybe $5 per car. Caveat Emptor, I'd say.
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08-11-2016, 09:44 AM | #26 |
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Ummmmm, so which Chevrolet model is it that you believe is identical "under the skin" to the ATS-V for $25K less?
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At 62k for the base, it is right on par with others in it's segment. |
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08-11-2016, 10:17 AM | #28 |
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I don't know of any twin turbo 3.6L that GM puts out under the Chevy brand. Please do enlighten us. Yes, the ATS-V shares the same alpha platform as the camaro, but that's about it. The camaro has something like 60%+ of its parts unique to itself, so I don't see how you can say the ATS-V is a rebadged camaro. The SS is a rebadged Holden and comes with a v8 with less power than the TT ATS-V so it isn't that car either.
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You could make the argument that since the LF3 engine is just a forced induction variant of the LFX engine (used in a lot of GM vehicles), that in fact these engines are just juiced up versions of standard GM engines. However, that would be ridiculous given how many changes/modifications were made to the LF3 and LF4 engines. While I do agree that the majority of GM vehicles share mechanical components, I would say that the ATS-V is unique in that the engine is not used in any other vehicle within the GM portfolio. |
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08-11-2016, 02:48 PM | #30 | |
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No doubt, all US OEMs made significant and ongoing management errors. However, for accuracy, the reason for the bailout was not mismanagement. It resulted from the credit crunch due to the housing bubble burst in the market failure of 2008. Without available credit, dealers could not order wholesale, cutting off the necessary flow of cash and causing plants to possibly close, cascading to shutting down suppliers who rely on all their OE customers. The bailout allowed cash to continue to flow to maintain output at a minimal level to prevent one of the companies from going under, dragging down the others when the supply base collapsed. The ignition cylinder situation was clearly not a senior management mis-step on direction. The subsequent information demonstrated that this was the result of middle managers who made grave errors, which they did not address upward, and they, as well as the corporation, have experienced the consequences. This is quite apart from C-suite decisions on product development, quality objectives, and the long range plan which result in products we evaluate as positive or negative. I have no connection to GM, but do think we should maintain a reasoned analysis of the situation, as well as the OP's question. I would not take the ATS, because I don't care for the car, but calling it a rebadged/reskinned Chevrolet seems unreasonable to me. But, would you object equally to a Camaro if you considered that a rebadged/reskinned ATS? Is it launch sequence and which identity is settled first which makes the perceptual difference?
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Are they selling the ATS-V for low $40's? Any rate, if these prices are legit, then yes the ATS-V is in another league of car and appears to be about 1/2 price of what standard lease should be for a $75k car.
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Trying to squeeze a few more dollars out of the ATS-V lease right now and then will lock that up. Should be a fun toy. |
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08-11-2016, 05:32 PM | #33 | |
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I contacted my local Cadi dealer about what lease specials on a nice ATSV coupe they have. Track pack, Recaro seats, Alcantara interior trim. Might trade in the 235i this weekend.
Only had the 235 for about 6 months. Thanks OP! Dammit lol.
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I'd be all over the ATS V too, you are making the right choice. |
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08-11-2016, 06:14 PM | #36 |
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I'm not much of a convertible guy (unless it's a s2000 or cars that only come in a roadster form) so I'd go ATSV
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Yeah, it's nuts how they are giving these away. Getting this car for a payment in the 5's really is a steal.
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My friend has owned caddies for a long time, mostly the CTS. You mention that you want to get a M235 vert. I also wanted a 228ixvert and got it. The caddy is nice but they don't make a convertible. I don't know for sure as I am not a Caddy fan. Great pricing though.
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Overall the car has a cheap GM feel you will discover over time. Caddy tried real hard to make an e46. I tried real hard to like it. But there in lies the rub. You should not have to try to love a car. Your not getting a deal. ATS and CTS are sitting on the lots for months. Cadillac ATS owner 3 years, thankful it was only a lease. |
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When the brake master cylinder breaks it is a slow motion brake problem that first appears as a brake pedal problem. You increasingly have to depress the brake harder and harder to brake to stop. When Caddy decided to fix it I had to show that I had the brake pedal to the floor depressed smacking the firewall to stop that car. Even then you rolled a few feet before stopping.
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