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      11-19-2017, 08:07 PM   #1
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How many already stored for winter?

Mine went into my sister-in-law's garage for the winter yesterday. It will be there until the end of March. I hate that I can't even look at it unless I drive to her house about 10 miles away, but it does open up my own garage to bring the winter beater Mini inside.

I use the California Car Cover Dustop custom fitted indoor cover.

Battery tender, tires slightly over-inflated, full tank with Sta-bil added, and mouse traps under the car.

Anyone else?
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Our RWD M240i is one of our winter cars, so all prepped and winterized to tackle whatever snow and ice is thrown at it, 18 winters of driving RWD BMWs here in the frozen north with no issue.
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just picked it up a few days ago and will be in storage mode by Tuesday :-(
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      11-19-2017, 08:30 PM   #4
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not mine. my brand new m240i xdrive is for all year. hated storing the 135is.
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Our RWD M240i is one of our winter cars, so all prepped and winterized to tackle whatever snow and ice is thrown at it, 18 winters of driving RWD BMWs here in the frozen north with no issue.
I drove nothing but RWD V8 Camaros and Mustangs year round from 1980 to 2015 in New England. Never even had winter tires. Some hairy drives for sure! Had to plan the route to avoid getting stuck on an uphill slope.

(I did have to get towed one time. In a 1971 Olds 4-4-2 W-30 in the blizzard of '78. )

But yes, I know you can drive a RWD in snow, especially with winter tires. I just can't stand the thought of all the salt and chemicals getting in the nooks and crannies of the car.
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      11-19-2017, 09:25 PM   #6
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In coastal San Diego, I'll store mine (overnight) as temps can dip below 50F after dark. Brrr!
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Mines been stored for like 3weeks already. Not gonna lie, it's been rough and still got a long way to go. I agree with you though, I know I can drive it in the winter but don't want to because of the unnecessary wear/abuse. You can also use laundry sheets for rodent deterrents.

I wouldn't mind getting something older but still fun for the winter. Instead I went practical econo box and it suiuuuucks.
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Just threw winter boots on it.. I couldn't imagine Winter without it..
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I drove nothing but RWD V8 Camaros and Mustangs year round from 1980 to 2015 in New England. Never even had winter tires. Some hairy drives for sure! Had to plan the route to avoid getting stuck on an uphill slope.

(I did have to get towed one time. In a 1971 Olds 4-4-2 W-30 in the blizzard of '78. )

But yes, I know you can drive a RWD in snow, especially with winter tires. I just can't stand the thought of all the salt and chemicals getting in the nooks and crannies of the car.
1971 Olds 4-4-2 W-30 was one of the legendary performance cars of its era. I was 19 in 1971 and remember it well. Take a look at its performance figures in the clip below. Amazing how fast we thought those muscle cars were then and how much faster today's every day driver performance cars are. Note: 455 cubic inches = 7.4 liters of displacement!!!

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1971 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 convertible
Despite storm clouds on the muscle car horizon, the 4-4-2 returned in 1971 with only minor modifications from the previous year. Engine output was down for 1971 due to a lower compression ratio (8.5:1), which affected all of GM's engines as the result of a corporate policy requiring engines to run on lower-octane regular leaded, low lead, or unleaded gasoline, in preparation for the introduction of the catalytic converter on 1975-model cars. The base 455 was rated at 340 hp (254 kW), with the W-30 achieving a rating of 350 hp (261 kW). The W-27 option was downgraded to an aluminum cover for the cast iron differential housing.

The 1971 4-4-2 was available in a hardtop coupe and convertible body type. The sport coupe disappeared for the first time since 1964, only to return in 1972.

Quarter mile performance as reported by Road Test magazine was 15.2 seconds @ 99 mph (159 km/h), and 0–60 in 8.9 seconds, using the TH400 automatic transmission.

1971 Model Year Spotting Tips: Black grille with silver surround, silver headlight bezels, round parking lights in front bumper, horizontal tail lights.
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My M235 convertible has been away for 11/2 weeks now. Once the temp drops, those Micheln PSS are pretty slippery. Also, once they start with the salt, I don't have anyway to wash her so under the covers she goes until late March. Hate not driving it but you sure appreciate it when spring comes.
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Never lived anywhere that required storing my car(s) for winter. Put another way, I'd never live anywhere that required storing my car(s) for winter. As my grandmother told me numerous times, "there's a limit!".
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Mine went into my sister-in-law's garage for the winter yesterday. It will be there until the end of March. I hate that I can't even look at it unless I drive to her house about 10 miles away, but it does open up my own garage to bring the winter beater Mini inside.

I use the California Car Cover Dustop custom fitted indoor cover.

Battery tender, tires slightly over-inflated, full tank with Sta-bil added, and mouse traps under the car.

Anyone else?
  • Home garage
  • Tire savers under each tire
  • Max cold inflation pressure
  • Full tank with Stabil
  • CTEK battery tender
  • Looking forward to Spring!
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1971 Olds 4-4-2 W-30 was one of the legendary performance cars of its era. I was 19 in 1971 and remember it well. Take a look at its performance figures in the clip below. Amazing how fast we thought those muscle cars were then and how much faster today's every day driver performance cars are. Note: 455 cubic inches = 7.4 liters of displacement!!!

1971[edit]

1971 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 convertible
Despite storm clouds on the muscle car horizon, the 4-4-2 returned in 1971 with only minor modifications from the previous year. Engine output was down for 1971 due to a lower compression ratio (8.5:1), which affected all of GM's engines as the result of a corporate policy requiring engines to run on lower-octane regular leaded, low lead, or unleaded gasoline, in preparation for the introduction of the catalytic converter on 1975-model cars. The base 455 was rated at 340 hp (254 kW), with the W-30 achieving a rating of 350 hp (261 kW). The W-27 option was downgraded to an aluminum cover for the cast iron differential housing.

The 1971 4-4-2 was available in a hardtop coupe and convertible body type. The sport coupe disappeared for the first time since 1964, only to return in 1972.

Quarter mile performance as reported by Road Test magazine was 15.2 seconds @ 99 mph (159 km/h), and 0–60 in 8.9 seconds, using the TH400 automatic transmission.

1971 Model Year Spotting Tips: Black grille with silver surround, silver headlight bezels, round parking lights in front bumper, horizontal tail lights.
Off Topic, but this brings back a funny story. Gratefully accepted my dad's hand-me-down '69 Impala Custom Coupe to take to college in 1971. He had a patient who was an Olds dealer. Dad knew very little about cars and wasn't that interested in the details. Asked me to order for him a replacement from his patient...he knew he wanted a Cutlass. He liked dark green. So, I ordered a '72 dark green with black vinyl top Cutlass Supreme. He was pleased and waited for the arrival. It looked appropriately boring. What he didn't know until he started it up and pulled out of the dealership was that I had checked the box for the 4bbl 455 cu in engine. It was fun watching him react to something he never experiened before, and he grew to like it. With the price of gas back then, he wasn't too annoyed with 8mpg around NYC, and he finally realized he was having fun driving around in his "sleeper"!
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I like my M240i 6spd RWD - I got it to be my all year round daily driver, threw the winter wheels/tires on and I'm good to go. Drove RWD (Toyota) with all seasons then moved to winter tires all through college in Toronto / Calgary no problems except for when ground clearance became a problem. Now living in NJ - not really worried. If there is a major storm I'll either work from home, or get a rental SUV. That way my wife's X1 with winter tires is there for her.

My 2002 MINI is now safe from the ravages of salt / snow.
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Winter tires and wheels go on tomorrow afternoon. In Kentucky we don't much snow so the winter tires work well for rain, ice, light snow and cold. When we do get more than 3", there aren't many plows, so even if the tires make RWD work just fine, ground clearance becomes the issue and I have my 4WD GMC Canyon for those rare snowy days.

I grew up in Wisconsin back when there wasn't such a thing as a "daily driver" or "winter beater". There was just your car and it did everything, daily commuting, family road trips and hauling all matter of things home from the Farm & Fleet, winter or summer, snowy or dry. If it lasted more than 5 years or 100K miles without needing an overhaul or rusting out, you had a winner. Damn, I AM getting old.
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my sympathies. I have trouble putting aside Sport mode for the winter, couldn't bring myself to stow the whole car. With Xdrive and snows, they are almost as much fun in the snow, once you get clear of all the other a-holes who seem ready to slide into you. First snow was today, and I plan on a long route home to try to play a little.
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      11-20-2017, 07:21 PM   #17
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My m240i has a Performance Center Delivery scheduled for January, which means the car is going straight into winter storage. I'm even going as far as to tow it back to NW Indiana rather than road trip it just to make sure I don't get caught in a bad snow storm. The plan is to keep this car a long, long time, and since it's a pleasure only vehicle for me, there's no point in abusing it with the snow/salt mayhem we encounter here during the winter.

The good news is that my garage is now heated and will be fully finished and man-caved out by mid-winter, so at the very least I should still be able to enjoy staring at it over a beer while the anticipation builds for the spring weather! Winter sucks, but life's still good!

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Our RWD M240i is one of our winter cars, so all prepped and winterized to tackle whatever snow and ice is thrown at it, 18 winters of driving RWD BMWs here in the frozen north with no issue.
Just curious, what do you do to winterize?
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I don't even have to change my tires out here on the west coast.
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Just curious, what do you do to winterize?
Yes. Excellent question. Would love to hear what the community does to their cars, if anything other than driving it as often as possible to "keep things moving." I remember with my old sport bike, I used to have to put some kind of special fuel additive in the tank, use a battery tender, etc. Not sure if the same effort needs to go into these cars if, say, they are driven up to operating temp at least once a month.

My current plan with the m240i is to just drive it as often as weather permits, or more ideally, only after a rain that washes away the salt! If only I could request from the weather Gods that this happens once a week and only on the weekend...

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Just curious, what do you do to winterize?
Winter tyres fitted and inflated to 35psi all around and reset tyre pressure monitoring, ensuring anti-seize compound on hub locating flange. Apply a coat of Klasse sealer glaze to the paint. Empty summer washer fluid and fill with -45C winter fluid. Check and replace wiper blades if worn. Check coolant level. Put snow brush with scrapper, spare boots, hat, gloves, blanket and bag with jumper cables and various safety items in the boot/trunk. Clean inside and outside of summer wheels, mark their replacement position on the car and put away in the garage. Done.
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For me, serious winterization comes before the M235i goes down to the Swiss Alps for its first ski outing of the season. By that time, it's already got it's 7.5Jx17 square wheels on carrying Pirelli S3 winters anyway, just in terms of cold and wet.

I have a 5L BMW Winter screenwash Concentrate [83.12.2.409.032] which is more cost-effective than the 1L versions, and start to up the concentration as the autumn progresses. I'll then also carry
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And if it's the long drive down to the mountains, I also make sure I have boots handy to change into if I have to go out in the snow/slush. The windscreen cover is one of those dual summer/winter things with thick foil. If we're parking outdoors then I make sure to cover the wipers and air intakes at the top of the bonnet, so they don't get clogged by snow. For the Alps, the screenwash gets refreshed to almost pure, so operates down to -30⁰C (-22⁰F) - probably overkill as the worst ambient I've been in in the mountains was 'only' -24⁰C, at altitude.

I wish I'd gone for the more expensive front-fitting Spikes Spider chains earlier as they fit a far wider range of wheel sizes than conventional ones. I wouldn't now have three sets of chains in my garage from different cars, all of which the Spikes would have fitted with some adjustment of the links. On top of that, they genuinely only take a couple of minutes to fit. Which is important if you're the guy holding up all the traffic.

And I practice engaging DSC=OFF [TRACTION] DTC=ON for if I hit snow/slush. First time, I had to stop to read the manual, which was bad preparation on my part. Confusing terminology from BMW always makes this more complicated to understand than it really is. Basically, treat the car-with-wiggly-lines-OFF button as if it had a snowflake on it i.e. a 'Snow/Slush' button.
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