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      06-23-2014, 08:50 PM   #23
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This change potentially just cost MY15 owners thousands of dollars.
There are no MY2015 owners that this would apply to yet...
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      06-23-2014, 09:29 PM   #24
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It's just the maintenance program and not warranty service which is separate for now. Brake pads, rotors, wiper blades, filters, oil, etc. will only be covered under normal maintenance schedule by the original owner. Not that big of a hardship considering it is usually near expiration when the vehicle is sold or end-of-lease turn in anyway. Though it might make my two year lease on my 2014 M235i a better resale for the dealer come 2016.
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It's just the maintenance program and not warranty service which is separate for now. Brake pads, rotors, wiper blades, filters, oil, etc. will only be covered under normal maintenance schedule by the original owner. Not that big of a hardship considering it is usually near expiration when the vehicle is sold or end-of-lease turn in anyway. Though it might make my two year lease on my 2014 M235i a better resale for the dealer come 2016.
I disagree. It is a big deal if you want to sell the car in the first three years. Brakes are over a thousand dollars alone. It has to be a negative on the resale value.
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Are brakes covered by the free maintenance in the US? I'm reading BMW's Canadian site and brake pads and rotors are not covered by the standard free maintenance program.
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Are brakes covered by the free maintenance in the US? I'm reading BMW's Canadian site and brake pads and rotors are not covered by the standard free maintenance program.
Yes they are covered in the US.
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this is good news for me and others who do their own oil & brakes diy anyway...
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I disagree. It is a big deal if you want to sell the car in the first three years. Brakes are over a thousand dollars alone. It has to be a negative on the resale value.
+1000

This is very negative news. Maybe it is good news for independent shops. But effectively this is a price increase and will really hurt the private party seller.

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      06-26-2014, 11:21 AM   #30
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this is good news for me and others who do their own oil & brakes diy anyway...
Not sure how this benefits the person that chooses to throw away money, other than it gives others less ammo to flame you for doing so? I mean, how does that conversation go? "Honey, what are you doing?" - "Oh, just changing the oil and brakes." - "I thought we get that for free." - "Yeah, but I like to do it myself." - "How much did you spend to do it yourself?" - "Hmmm about $500." - "WTF???"
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      06-26-2014, 05:59 PM   #31
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Not sure how this benefits the person that chooses to throw away money, other than it gives others less ammo to flame you for doing so? I mean, how does that conversation go? "Honey, what are you doing?" - "Oh, just changing the oil and brakes." - "I thought we get that for free." - "Yeah, but I like to do it myself." - "How much did you spend to do it yourself?" - "Hmmm about $500." - "WTF???"
Just because you have to ask your wife for an approval to spend money doesn't mean we all do. And since I don't have to ask for her permission to take my car to the track either, i tend to do that a lot. And judging by your comment you've never taken your bmw to the track to see what it does to your brakes and to your oil. And after spending all day at the track and doing that as a hobby, take it to the dealer and see how far you'll get with "free brakes and oil" change. Or better yet, track your car and follow the 15k oil interval.
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Just because you have to ask your wife for an approval to spend money doesn't mean we all do. And since I don't have to ask for her permission to take my car to the track either, i tend to do that a lot. And judging by your comment you've never taken your bmw to the track to see what it does to your brakes and to your oil. And after spending all day at the track and doing that as a hobby, take it to the dealer and see how far you'll get with "free brakes and oil" change. Or better yet, track your car and follow the 15k oil interval.
We've met before? You've really let yourself go. Hardly recognized you.

If I was tracking my car as often as you say, I would get dedicated track pads, wheels and tires, so my standard pads would still get replaced along with a free oil change at 12 months, regardless of how often I changed it. So, I'll get pretty far with that, I think.

This won't heavily weigh on pre-owned car prices, for people to use as a bargaining chip, once all of the under maintenance cars disappear from the lots. So, it doesn't really benefit you much if you are a CPO buyer.
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Honestly though who sells these cars private party within three years?

70% of them are leases so this won't affect them since these problems aren't going to manifest until right after the lease is up, the other 30% probably just get traded in where it's the same deal. The vast majority of buyers buying a used car this new would have to be out of their gourd to buy from a private party when they can buy from a dealer and get a CPO car with additional warranty. And anyone foolish enough to buy one of these slightly used from a private party and thus pass over CPO status they'd surely get buying from a dealer is almost certainly completely clueless about free maintenance so I'm pretty sure nobody here really has anything to worry about.

Sorry, but your '14 will NOT be worth more than a '15.
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This kind of sucks for those who like to buy cars after the initial depreciation hits. I did that on my previous BMW (E90 335i) and bought it at a year old and with only 12000 miles on the dash. The price I bought the car for was ridiculous (was right in the middle of the recession) and I fully took advantage of 3 years left of standard warranty and maintenance and then extended both warranty and maintenance for 2 years.

This would likely make me rethink that strategy if I was looking to buy a barely used BMW again, since I milked the crap out of that maintenance plan.
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Honestly though who sells these cars private party within three years?

70% of them are leases so this won't affect them since these problems aren't going to manifest until right after the lease is up, the other 30% probably just get traded in where it's the same deal. The vast majority of buyers buying a used car this new would have to be out of their gourd to buy from a private party when they can buy from a dealer and get a CPO car with additional warranty. And anyone foolish enough to buy one of these slightly used from a private party and thus pass over CPO status they'd surely get buying from a dealer is almost certainly completely clueless about free maintenance so I'm pretty sure nobody here really has anything to worry about.

Sorry, but your '14 will NOT be worth more than a '15.
I think you are missing a point. Many people assume leases and this affects the original lease's cost of getting out of their lease. Also many people try to turn in their leased vehicles early to lease a different vehicle.
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      06-27-2014, 08:20 AM   #36
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Honestly though who sells these cars private party within three years?

70% of them are leases so this won't affect them since these problems aren't going to manifest until right after the lease is up, the other 30% probably just get traded in where it's the same deal. The vast majority of buyers buying a used car this new would have to be out of their gourd to buy from a private party when they can buy from a dealer and get a CPO car with additional warranty. And anyone foolish enough to buy one of these slightly used from a private party and thus pass over CPO status they'd surely get buying from a dealer is almost certainly completely clueless about free maintenance so I'm pretty sure nobody here really has anything to worry about.

Sorry, but your '14 will NOT be worth more than a '15.
Ok. If that makes you feel good. MY14 has a significant $$$ benefit the MY15 does not. FACT.
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      06-27-2014, 08:51 AM   #37
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How's the 4 year 50,000 mile free maintenance on the 14 Mustang GT?
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And anyone foolish enough to buy one of these slightly used from a private party and thus pass over CPO status they'd surely get buying from a dealer is almost certainly completely clueless about free maintenance so I'm pretty sure nobody here really has anything to worry about.
A CPO is nothing more than the Gold level extended warranty from BMW that you can buy on your own. Paying the dealer premium for a car that has been CPO'd versus buying a private party one for way less (that you can get inspected by a BMW dealer and also negotiate an extended warranty on from any dealer) is not stupid in my book.

I didn't buy private party for my E90 but I bought it from an Infiniti dealer as a one year old used car for about 7k less than any CPO with higher miles at the time. Since BMW changed their rules to allow non-first owners to buy extended warranties, I did that at a price of 2300 and came out way on top over anything that a dealer could have offered me, not to mention that I had 3 years left on my original warranty so I didn't have to shell out that extra 2300 until 3 years later. I also did know about the maintenance plan and even extended my maintenance plan when I reached 49986 miles and just sold the car off at 100k miles. Looking back, I wouldn't have done it any other way.

The CPO stuff became overrated when the rules changed and you could do it all yourself. You could buy any car you want from anywhere as long as it is under 50k and 4 years and buy an official BMW extended warranty on it. The rules are changing now for the maintenance but everything looks to stay in tact for the warranties.
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I think you are missing a point. Many people assume leases and this affects the original lease's cost of getting out of their lease. Also many people try to turn in their leased vehicles early to lease a different vehicle.
I still don't see how loss of free maintenance for a future owner affects the person who bought the car new trying to turn the car in early - you are tied to the residual (presumably a negotiated residual for early turn-in which would be based on the original residual) and are isolated from the loss of free maintenance. I don't see how loss of free maintenance for owner #2 affects owner #1 who turns the car in early in any way shape or form since everything on a lease is negotiated on the front end.

On another note, you signed a contract to lease, so you should honor it and stick to it. If you want to get out early and you end up taking a hit, well, what do you expect? Buy next time and fork out the $1,000 a month payment so you can do as you please, when you please.

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Ok. If that makes you feel good. MY14 has a significant $$$ benefit the MY15 does not. FACT.
MY15 has a significant $$$ benefit the MY14 does not because in 2, 3, 4 years, one is a year newer than the other which is enormous on the front end of the depreciation curve. FACT.

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A CPO is nothing more than the Gold level extended warranty from BMW that you can buy on your own. Paying the dealer premium for a car that has been CPO'd versus buying a private party one for way less (that you can get inspected by a BMW dealer and also negotiate an extended warranty on from any dealer) is not stupid in my book.

I didn't buy private party for my E90 but I bought it from an Infiniti dealer as a one year old used car for about 7k less than any CPO with higher miles at the time. Since BMW changed their rules to allow non-first owners to buy extended warranties, I did that at a price of 2300 and came out way on top over anything that a dealer could have offered me, not to mention that I had 3 years left on my original warranty so I didn't have to shell out that extra 2300 until 3 years later. I also did know about the maintenance plan and even extended my maintenance plan when I reached 49986 miles and just sold the car off at 100k miles. Looking back, I wouldn't have done it any other way.

The CPO stuff became overrated when the rules changed and you could do it all yourself. You could buy any car you want from anywhere as long as it is under 50k and 4 years and buy an official BMW extended warranty on it. The rules are changing now for the maintenance but everything looks to stay in tact for the warranties.
Right - this bonehead move by BMW alienates 2nd owners who might buy the car slightly used, not first owners.
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How's the 4 year 50,000 mile free maintenance on the 14 Mustang GT?
About as good as 15,000 mile oil change intervals at BMW.
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I milked the crap out of that maintenance plan.
what do you mean? I thought you only had to do maintenance once a year or 10k miles? Unless you drove a lot and changed a lot of brakes, I can't think of anything to take advantage of.
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New Zealand is the same and includes 2014 cars but only 3 years with unlimited milage

http://www.bmw.co.nz/com/en/owners/b...e_service.html

5 year warranty or 62,200 miles.
http://www.bmw.co.nz/com/en/owners/b...rwarranty.html
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Conservatively this is a 2k hit for buyers that want to sell before 4yrs/50k.
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Conservatively this is a 2k hit for buyers that want to sell before 4yrs/50k.
Highly unlikely. BMW does very little maintenance under the "free maintenance plan". A couple of oil changes, a couple of free wiper blades is the norm for the last two years of warranty for most folks. MAYBE you win the lottery and get brakes before 50K/4-years - I won't. In many cases we are only talking about a short period of time, as many people run the warranty out on miles well before they run out of time. Obviously, the newer and lower mileage the car, the bigger the hit though. But very few people sell practically new cars. Dealers can just throw in maintenance at their dealership if they are that hungry.
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